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New 560Ti on the way...1280mb + 448 Cuda Cores..29th Nov Launch.
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Ask them in the support forum. One time they managed to stop the delivery on a sound card I had ordered when I heard of a new one coming out right after it dispatched.
Just send it back DSR
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Caporegime
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This isn't to cover off AMD current gen cards
Think of it this way, in a few months Nvidia will have £150 560ti's with 384 cores, 570gtx's at £275 and 580gtx's at £350.
AMD will have 7870's below £200, maybe as low as £170, and likely 6970 performance, then a 7950 maybe around £200-220, which will destroy a 580gtx, and a 7970 for what £300, which will be by far the fastest card.
As I see it the 560ti "new" lets Nvidia play the make believe game of selling their 530mm2 cores, at midrange prices, to somewhat compete with AMD's soon to come midrange.
It looks better to call it a 560ti because the vast majority of people won't know what a GF110 or GF114 is, this SOUNDS like it SHOULD be a cheap and doesn't seem terrible for Nvidia when they have to sell it at £150. If you sell 570gtx's at £150, then share holders, and analysts start asking, why is your high end card getting beaten by AMD's midrange, and you're selling at a loss just to make sales?
There isn't any other reason for it and there isn't any other reason for calling it the 560ti.
There is a slim chance there is a batch of even more cut down 570gtx's out there just waiting to be sold, but thats very rare. 40nm yields were plenty good by the time 580gtx came around, and they had PLENTY of time to fix the 480gtx. If there were really enough cores for a valid salvage part with that few cores we would have seen it 2-3 months after release, not circa 1 month before AMD new gen is due. Which means in all likelyhood they are selling these INSTEAD of 570/580gtx's, knowing that basically no one will want to pay £350 for their high end card in a few weeks. Notice AMD and Nvidia haven't added any secondary salvage parts, that's because 40nm was so mature and they sorted everything out by then.
Otherwise we'd have seen 6930's, 565gtx's a LONG time ago.
Because these likely aren't salvaged parts AND because Nvidia will be looking for every single angle to sell these over lower power, faster, better performance/£ new gen cards, this is actually a possibility. I can see more was it 465gtx shenanigans where AIB's put them on 470gtx PCB's, with more memory and let you have more shaders.
I can see that as a definate possibility, again I'm fairly sure this is a saving face type move and a keeping sales move so anything that makes the 560ti seem better value could happen.
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Hmmm interesting. But will it actually be faster? As GF110 isn't as efficient as GF114 clock for clock. Also GF110 uses more power and doesn't clock as high as GF114.
So will 448 GF110 cores be that much better than 384 GF114 cores.
16.7% more cores, and a wider memory bus, but with higher power consumption and more heat.
Hmmm... will be interesting to see how it pans out.
So will 448 GF110 cores be that much better than 384 GF114 cores.
16.7% more cores, and a wider memory bus, but with higher power consumption and more heat.
Hmmm... will be interesting to see how it pans out.
You won't be able to SLI the new with the old.
Hmmm interesting. But will it actually be faster? As GF110 isn't as efficient as GF114 clock for clock. Also GF110 uses more power and doesn't clock as high as GF114.
So will 448 GF110 cores be that much better than 384 GF114 cores.
16.7% more cores, and a wider memory bus, but with higher power consumption and more heat.
Hmmm... will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Thats assuming its not a die shrink or other improvement to the manufacturing. If it actually turned out to be essentially a GTX470 but with refined design (GF11x) and a shrink it would be an overclocking monster - 1200+MHz core clock wouldn't be impossible (compared to 607MHz on stock 470).
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What, where did you pull that from, it might be a shrink(its not) and it might be refined(its not) and it might hit double the clock speed........... 1200Mhz wouldn't be impossible? Even if it was 28nm 1200Mhz on anything but LN2 WOULD be impossible, its that simple.
Its a cut down 570gtx, if it was a die shrink it WOULD be a 660ti, they would not call it a 560ti. If it could hit 1200Mhz, they would not release it at anything less than 900Mhz, maybe 1Ghz, at which point it would be much faster than a 570gtx.
No company on earth would, make a new Fermi, on 28nm, that could do double the clock speed(28nm will NOT allow that kind of clock speed increase, not even close), make a new design for ONE chip, at the cost of millions, with thousands upon thousands of hours work on it, for Kepler to come out right after.
Nothing you said is even possible, let alone a good idea, let alone profitable.
its a cut down 570gtx, nothing less or more, the ONLY question is why. Because they had a crapload of cores sitting around unable to use more cores, very possibly, because they need something they can tank the pricing on and not appear to be a 530mm2 chip that would clearly be making a loss at the £150 it will probably need to be, to be remotely competitive in performance(but not power) over AMD's new midrange, very very possibly.
This is seriously going to confuse so many people that bought G114 based GTX 560 tis.
The new one is based on G110, old one G114, they are not SLI compatible with each other.
G114 was the most efficient Fermi design by a clear margin, the G110 may be faster, but the extra heat, power consumption and lower clocks made it very inefficient clock for clock. A G114 running at 950 - 1000 Mhz was superior price / performance / watt ownage over the GTX 570 / 580.
As we see from ATI and also Nvidia's midrange, going over 256 bit memory bandwidth costs too much energy and inefficiency for hardly any gain.
I'd rather see new 256 bit cards from Nvidia with more cuda cores, but thats not happening until Kepler.
The new GTX 560 ti is 100% a GTX 570 with one less shader unit and lower memory bandwidth. Its not a new core, this has been reported on plenty of tech news websites.
does this also mean the newer 560 using gf110 wont have the ability to bistream audio via hdmi like the current 560 can? I was looking to buy a 560ti for my htpc so this was a very important feature for me- Ideally the new model will also do this but not if its based on the same chip as the 570/580
People have had the GTX470s upto 1200MHz now with LN2, and 900MHz is perfectly achieveable on less extreme cooling. Granted the 570s don't overclock quite as much - around 1gig is about as far as they go on extreme cooling, but this does give the headroom that theoretically would allow for 1200MHz clock on less than extreme cooling with a die shrink.
It wouldn't be the first time nVidia or AMD have tested the water on a new process with a shrink of their current design, tho there are currently some issues with a simple optical shrink to 28nm.
(Bare in mind I'm not suggesting a double clock speed for the process here - the 470 is clocked way down on the 480 and far below the original target for the GF100 (800MHz) - If I had been talking 1500-1600+Mhz I could understand your ridicule).
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No, still feel my ridicule, remember the GF100 missed its targets, despite 40nm being some stupid percentage faster than 55nm.
Notice how AMD and Nvidia have barely increased clockspeeds for, 3-4 generations, yet you think 900Mhz(overclocked) to 1200Mhz, a 33% increase, is possible, despite the past 3-4 generations barely managing 10%.
I also pointed out LN2 at 1200Mhz, and more, up to 1400mhz, CMOS chips work differently at different temps, LN2 on ANY process would have no bearing on achievable speeds on any other process under normal cooling.
It would infact be the first time either company had gone for a high end core on a new process, ever. Yes the 4770 was a cut down high end card.
Of course a full 4870 was only 250mm2 or so, a full 580gtx is 530mm2, a cut down 4770 was tiny in comparison to a 580gtx, a "new" 560ti would NOT be tiny, at all, it would not happen, even Nvidia with many bad process decisions over the years would NOT do something so insanely stupid.
Also every single leak about it says quite specifically its GF110, I really don't know what else to say, when every single news story about a new card specifically states what it is, why on earth would you make guesses about what it might be, and then throw out truly epically ridiculous potential clock speeds.
The 280gtx, on 65nm, was basically 600Mhz at stock, the 285gtx on 55nm took a less than 10% clock speed increase, the 480gtx, on 40nm came out at 700Mhz, around a 10% clock speed bump, and the 580gtx, 772Mhz, again a 10% bump in clock speed. But despite all evidence to the contrary, you think 28nm will easily enable a 20-30% jump in clock speeds. okay.
This all ignoring the fact that 8800gtx's were 575Mhz on 90 nm, and up to 738Mhz by the 55nm revision of it, which is over 3 years old.
Notice how AMD and Nvidia have barely increased clockspeeds for, 3-4 generations, yet you think 900Mhz(overclocked) to 1200Mhz, a 33% increase, is possible, despite the past 3-4 generations barely managing 10%.
I also pointed out LN2 at 1200Mhz, and more, up to 1400mhz, CMOS chips work differently at different temps, LN2 on ANY process would have no bearing on achievable speeds on any other process under normal cooling.
It would infact be the first time either company had gone for a high end core on a new process, ever. Yes the 4770 was a cut down high end card.
Of course a full 4870 was only 250mm2 or so, a full 580gtx is 530mm2, a cut down 4770 was tiny in comparison to a 580gtx, a "new" 560ti would NOT be tiny, at all, it would not happen, even Nvidia with many bad process decisions over the years would NOT do something so insanely stupid.
Also every single leak about it says quite specifically its GF110, I really don't know what else to say, when every single news story about a new card specifically states what it is, why on earth would you make guesses about what it might be, and then throw out truly epically ridiculous potential clock speeds.
The 280gtx, on 65nm, was basically 600Mhz at stock, the 285gtx on 55nm took a less than 10% clock speed increase, the 480gtx, on 40nm came out at 700Mhz, around a 10% clock speed bump, and the 580gtx, 772Mhz, again a 10% bump in clock speed. But despite all evidence to the contrary, you think 28nm will easily enable a 20-30% jump in clock speeds. okay.
This all ignoring the fact that 8800gtx's were 575Mhz on 90 nm, and up to 738Mhz by the 55nm revision of it, which is over 3 years old.
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The question is why would anyone buy this over the upcoming ATi 7000 series?
Genuine question as I need a new card soon (pref before christmas)
Genuine question as I need a new card soon (pref before christmas)
No one really knows when the 7000 series is coming.
This is a nice little card for £200. I would say the best you can buy for the money.
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would you say better than a 6950 2gb?
I wanted to spend between £200 - £250
Using 2560*1440 res btw so need something with a bit of oomph (sli/crossfire is an option but the drivers have to be good, dont want to spent hours messing about with games running worse than on a single card). Would prefer a single card in all honesty but have an AX850 waiting if needed.
560ti v2 (or 2 sli)
6950 2gb (or 2 crossfire)
or wait for 7850/7870/7950/7970 (depending on price)
guess its impossible to say without actually seeing the 7000s, but would you have a gut instinct about which is the best way to go?