Muslims Against Crusades to be banned from midnight

oulton said:
So it seems free speach is only allowed these days when it conforms with the views of the establishment. Regardless of whether the views these people hold are moronic or not.

Didn't some guy get sent to prison last month for writing something on his facebook wall and then deleting it later when sober?
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Free Speech and peaceful protest is one thing, but acting in a deliberately provocative manner that is intended to cause tension and make the general populace angry is something different IMO. It's not like they're on speaker's corner.

Instead of banning them, give them one way tickets to a country that operates in the manner they desire then ban them from re-entry to the UK. ;)

I agree that the idea of social networking "police" is quite unnerving though. I'm sure many people have posted or said stuff they regret when drunk. I'd have thought you'd have got off under diminished responsibility or something.
 
Like i have said before, nothing wrong with free speech but you have to draw the line somewhere!

Would it be ok for Hitler to appear and start his propangander in our streets? Would it be tolerated, would it be ok to do so?

Would it be ok for someone to stand up and praise the holocaust in our streets? Is this what free speech is all about?

My father fought in WWII to stop all that. He didnt fight for free speech as such. He fought to stop tirany etc. Why let the muslims extremists spout hatred of the british people when they want to live here? Why let them parade around with hostile plackards?

For all the retards who believe they have a right to air such moronic ideas then i say to them that we have a right to stand against the strong Muslim Extremists views, to stop them spouting such terrorism.

They are taking the pee with free speech to view their twisted way of life. To cause unrest and hatred.
 
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kenmare said:
All I'm saying is that Islam is fundamentally at cross ends with the way we live life in the Western society.
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That would be militant Islamism rather than Islam.

Militant Islam derives from Islam but is a misanthropic, misogynist, triumphalist, millenarian, anti-modern, anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, terroristic, jihadistic, and suicidal version of it.
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"It’s a mistake to blame Islam, a religion 14 centuries old, for the evil that should be ascribed to militant Islam, a totalitarian ideology less than a century old. Militant Islam is the problem, but moderate Islam is the solution."
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Maccy said:
it's disrespectful and if hadn't have been for the men (and women) that gave their lives for us then god knows how we would be living now.
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Well for a start Islam wouldn't exist as after it was finished with the jews the third reich would have purged all the Muslims...

But ofc they never think of that >.>
 
ubersonic said:
Well for a start Islam wouldn't exist as after it was finished with the jews the third reich would have purged all the Muslims...

But ofc they never think of that >.>
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You know this for sure?...Didn't think so!

I like the way it's almost deemed respectable and somewhat intelligent to set up a defensive barrier before everyone justifies their opinons . I can't see why it's deemed necessary. Anyone with half a brain knows that not all muslims are fundamentalists, it's the select few who are like any other scum on this earth and unfortuantely they'll never go away. (looks like I just did exactly what I said I shouldn't have to do...)

For me this is a rather simple issue. Muslim fundametalists with abhorant disgusting views on what should be a day about respect and remembrance.

I don't undderstand the controversy behind 'OMG THEY BANNED A GROUP, HOW TERRIBLE' So what!? Regardless of banning a group, it's all about what they stood for, what they believed. Why can't a goverment step in when the views are this extreme.

I guess the debate takes place when someone asks, so where do the government draw the line? Will it be a matter of time before they start banning all groups with radical opinions? For me...no, it's just a matter of common sense. Burning poppies, national flags and most importantly showing outright disrespect for a day that should have a place in ALL of our hearts REGARDLESS of religion, creed or heritage.

11/11/11
 
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It's a shame that a minority group completely destroy the credibility and respect of a group of people.

I was screaming at the tv at the pictures/sights of people burning flags/poppies etc..., and making anti establishment/British manifestos really did rile me. I love multi-culturalism and the fact that we can have so many people living near one another in this country. However, you come to live in Britain you have to embrace the qualities of Britain and what makes Britain your home. Keep your beliefs and views, of course, but don't rise against the country that has accepted you as one of hers.

Although I'm a "dirty foreigner" I love the UK and a lot of what it stands for, and whilst I disagree with some of the ways of the UK, I accept it that it's going to be different, and that's one of the things I love about it.

The gall these people have to behave in such a disrespectful way is beyond me. And screaming about "freedom of speech" - it also concerns sensitivity and behaviour towards everyone around you. Screaming in a library will get you banned from it if you keep doing it. As such, it's no different to making a nuisance of yourself - you disrupt the populace with such inflammatory and clearly aggressive and disrepesctful comments & behaviour, with purely the aim to annoy/upset people, you're going to get shut up and excluded.

If you hate what the UK stands for, get the **** out of here.
 
Freefaller said:
It's a shame that a minority group completely destroy the credibility and respect of a group of people.

screaming about "freedom of speech" - it also concerns sensitivity and behaviour. Screaming in a library will get you banned from it if you keep doing it, it's no different to making a nuisance of yourself - you disrupt the populace with such inflammatory and clearly aggressive comments in purely the aim to annoy/upset people you're going to get shut up.

If you hate what the UK stands for, get the **** out of here.
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I really don't think that the MAC destroy the credibility and respect of normal Muslims. Most people, not all though,see the difference between a follower of Islam and a follower of Millitant Islamism.

My argument that banning any group or thought is wrong agrees that there is a time and place. Free speech should be done appro9riately. The ban goes much further than stopping the glorification of terrorism, it actively makes it illegal to believe in their views. That is wrong. Britain stands for liberty, free speech and the right to hold any view that you wish. That's the Britain I know and love, not one that is willing to imprison someone for 10 years for belonging to a group that disagree with the norm.

Excuse poor typingm, on my Touchpad.
 
Ahleckz said:
I really don't think that the MAC destroy the credibility and respect of normal Muslims. Most people, not all though,see the difference between a follower of Islam and a follower of Millitant Islamism.

My argument that banning any group or thought is wrong agrees that there is a time and place. Free speech should be done appro9riately. The ban goes much further than stopping the glorification of terrorism, it actively makes it illegal to believe in their views. That is wrong.Britain stands for liberty, free speech and the right to hold any view that you wish. That's the Britain I know and love, not one that is willing to imprison someone for 10 years for belonging to a group that disagree with the norm.

Excuse poor typingm, on my Touchpad.
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Utter carp

Their views are 'wrong'!!!!! They are extremists. Terrorists. Narrow minded morons
 
Ahleckz said:
I really don't think that the MAC destroy the credibility and respect of normal Muslims. Most people, not all though,see the difference between a follower of Islam and a follower of Millitant Islamism.

My argument that banning any group or thought is wrong agrees that there is a time and place. Free speech should be done appro9riately. The ban goes much further than stopping the glorification of terrorism, it actively makes it illegal to believe in their views. That is wrong. Britain stands for liberty, free speech and the right to hold any view that you wish. That's the Britain I know and love, not one that is willing to imprison someone for 10 years for belonging to a group that disagree with the norm.

Excuse poor typingm, on my Touchpad.
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I understand what you're trying to say - I agree free speech shouldn't be censored or removed. However, if this freedom of speech renders those around you unhappy then surely you've got to start realising that what you have to say is not applicable/acceptable. It's not different to moderating your language around children, and having respect for those around you.

If you have views that go against the sanctity and beliefs of those around you, do not antagonise by burning flags, and destroying items in such a way that absolutely undermines any point you have to make. Anti establishment process is absolutely understandable, however, there is a way of doing it - and in my belief, and from what I've read this group of individuals have no interest in providing concise and well presented arguments, but are purely after an anarchy-type of attack which frankly should not be acceptable.
 
Ahleckz said:
People are wrong because they disagree with you? And you're calling them narrow minded? :employees:
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Stop being so pedantic. What part of poppie and flag burning is there to not disagree with? There is no ' I can see there point of view but...'

You're open minded to it are you? Martyr.

Ahleckz said:
Banning an opposition group is wrong, no matter what they stand for.
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This is just lol worthy. No matter what!? So if a group was going to organise a parade to celebrate the anniversary of The Holocause for example...you still wouldn't want to see them banned? Same goes for 9/11? A group of paedophiles who organise to hunt down little children? Let them run wild by your philosphy.
 
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Freefaller said:
I understand what you're trying to say - I agree free speech shouldn't be censored or removed. However, if this freedom of speech renders those around you unhappy then surely you've got to start realising that what you have to say is not applicable. It's not different to moderating your language around children, and having respect for those around you.

If you have views that go against the sanctity and beliefs of those around you, do not antagonise by burning flags, and destroying items in such a way that absolutely undermines any point you have to make. Anti establishment process is absolutely understandable, however, there is a way of doing it - and in my belief, and from what I've read this group of individuals have no interest in providing concise and well presented arguments, but are purely after an anarchy-type of attack which frankly should not be acceptable.
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I agree with that, and there are plenty of laws to cover that on a case by case basis. Why is the need there to ban a group getting toghether? Why imprison someone for 10 years for supporting a view? That is what is wrong. It doesn't help combat these people, it doesn't try and change views and stop people believing them. In their eyes it legitimizes their cause.
Never had I said those that causenpublic order offences sh8uod be let off in the name of free speech, what I have argued is that everyone in this country has the right to share their views amongst like minded people and to be able to spread their views in an appropriate way.
Banning an opposition group is wrong, no matter what they stand for.
 
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