Take a bow, mighty conservative Britain, the workhouses are back

[NathanE]

Because Lord Tesco and Sir Argos have greased the oily pole of some conservative ******s in the Department of work and pensions.

So from that I guess we can assume you are socialist riotchavscum?

You come across as someone that has literally just discovered the difference between the two main parties but, like that Rory Weal boy from the other month, has forgotten that actually Labour are just a different shade of blue as well.

 

[LiE]

I don't understand how encouraging people to work for effectively nothing is going to help them feel like an engaged, enthusiastic and motivated member of the workforce?

Instead they can just stay at home, get their money and watch TV all day.

 

[SKILL]

I don't have a problem with this, but it seems from the article that it was being abused in terms of not informing people of the ability to drop out during the first week, although you could also argue that with the widespread access to the internet it's not too much to ask for some people to do some basic research...

Anyway, I think it could be tweaked to make a much better scheme, and annoy the lefties a bit more, drop the basic JSA amount and then give extra for schemes such as this the extra being funded 50% by the government and 50% by the company. Company gets cheap labour, governments welfare bill goes down, and should convince some workshy people to actually do something productive with their life

 

[Sunbed]

Some of the people looking for jobs at the Job Centre are failboats anyway. Take that girl from the Guardian article "BSc in geology from Birmingham University" - then why isn't she volunteering for a piling/drilling company, or a geological survey company?

If she can't sort some relevant work experience for herself then she deserves to be stacking shelves!

 

[wildman]

this is all wrong.......

Cameron should re-open the coal mines and then send them down there to work for JSA rates, this way they can actually serve the country by helping our power stations and heavy industry that relies on coal whilst learning the meaning of a hard days work, Sending them to Tesco etc is way to soft

 

[RDM]

I don't have a problem with this, but it seems from the article that it was being abused in terms of not informing people of the ability to drop out during the first week, although you could also argue that with the widespread access to the internet it's not too much to ask for some people to do some basic research...

Consider the source too, it isn't like the Guardian will print a positive article on the current government, it would upset their readers.

 

[trancesphere]

This is nothing new, they have been doing this for years under the New Deal / Flexible New Deal schemes.

 

[Firestar_3x]

It's taking the OP longer to search wikipedia for workhouses than i though.

Chop chop.

 

[elmarko]

Do you not understand what's wrong with this idea?

If these people ARE WORKING they deserve a real wage.

If you are going to make them work, then ******* pay them a wage for the time they do.

Free labour is only going to drive down wages for the already low paid workers & give Tesco's an unfair advantage against competitors.

 

[Sunbed]

It's a good idea. The problem comes when Tesco etc just rely on the free labour rather than actually employing someone and paying them money. It could be the start of a even more vicious unemployment cycle.

I digress a bit but maybe you could limit the proportion of your "volunteer" workforce to ensure that this can't happen.

 

[UncleRuckus]

I think that getting the work shy **** out in the world working is a good thing. I however have issues with companies currying favour with the government and doing them favours.

 

[Glaucus]

Do you not understand what's wrong with this idea?

If these people ARE WORKING they deserve a real wage.

If you are going to make them work, then ******* pay them a wage for the time they do.

Free labour is only going to drive down wages for the already low paid workers & give Tesco's an unfair advantage against competitors.

They aren't doing a real job. They are still on JSA, they haven't gone through interview or any suitability checks. It's for a maximum of 8 weeks. So no they don't deserve a real pay. If they get real pay they don't need JSA.
Why would any company pay proper wage for those circumstances.
Why should people on JSA be able to claim it for doing sod all. What gives them that right?

And it's not going to do anything of the sort. For a start I bet it's regulated. Secondly there's a hole host of reasons why such workers won't perform well enough.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Do you not understand what's wrong with this idea?

If these people ARE WORKING they deserve a real wage.

If you are going to make them work, then ******* pay them a wage for the time they do.

Free labour is only going to drive down wages for the already low paid workers & give Tesco's an unfair advantage against competitors.

No, they get training and JSA, does this mean the 1,000's of uni students each year who do work placement for nothing simply to futher themselves should also no do it unless they get money?

 

[cheets64]

I think its great that people can be given the choice to do, get them out the house, meeting people, interacting but forcing people?

Fact is where are 1 millions jobs going to come from for the 16-24 years olds, we need people learning skills and getting paid, not pandering to big corporations.

How much of an idiot will you feel sat in the canteen with someone that is on £8 an hour, lolmotivation, would that de motivated the Job seeker or the employed?

Same thing happens with apprenticeship, people use them because they can pay them £2 an hour then suddenly let them go and take on a new apprentice.Very cheap labour and boost their profits so they can have a great lifestyle while younger people wonder what happened.

Department for Work and Pensions run by Ian Duncan Smith, the same man that couldn't defeat Labour while in charge of the Tories yet is now a saviour to this country, career politicians, make me sick.

The abolishment of mass UK manufacturing even coal mining has left the UK full of warehouses and supermarkets, low paid unskilled work that EU immigrants have flocked to.

 

[malachi]

Good!!! I have to work for my money, so should they.

 

[Firestar_3x]

The abolishment of mass UK manufacturing even coal mining has left the UK full of warehouses and supermarkets, low paid unskilled work that EU immigrants have flocked to.

No it hasn't, why would a technologically developed country be interested in mass manufacturing goods which can be made to the same standard in another country far cheaper, no money in it. Instead you refocus your efforts into hi-tech and things other country’s can't do.

 

[elmarko]

I don't understand how encouraging people to work for effectively nothing is going to help them feel like an engaged, enthusiastic and motivated member of the workforce?

That's because it isn't.

It's only going to exasperate the problem, by making the workers feel even more worthless than they do already - continuing the cycle of dependency & poverty.

I'd like to see the scientific studies which prove that this idea will have the desired effect, because until somebody provides it - this is just another pathetic ideologically driven change to appease the masses of stupid people in the UK (also this forum).

Another stupid idea to distract attention to the fact the economy is going down the drain because we have an idiot in change of finances with a 2:1 in modern history.

 

[daz]

I can't see this as a bad thing.

JSA isn't and shouldn't be "free money". As long as the scheme is with the intention giving young people experience of a work place, such that they get used to a regular place of work each day, being somewhere on time, dressing reasonably smartly. You'd be surprised at the number of unemployable people there are in the UK who can't even manage that.

A lot of the posters mentioning that these large firms will have a continual supply of free labour are misjudging one thing - a core aim for any manager or someone in a senior HR position is in reducing staff turnover. Especially in industries such as supermarkets and fast food. A massive part of having an efficient operation is in having staff that know their job, who are trained for their job and who want to be there.

Whilst the labour might be free, training and supervision isn't - and it's a real cost, so it's not in Tesco's interest to take on a ridiculous number of these placements to replace full paid staff, but rather it would be a good way to recruit and to see potential recruits.

 

[Glaucus]

How much of an idiot will you feel sat in the canteen with someone someone that is on £8 an hour, lolmotivation, would that de motivated the Job seeker or the employed?

Same thing happens with apprenticeship, people use them because they can pay them £2 an hour then suddenly let them go and take on a new apprentice.Very cheap labour and boost their profits so they can have a great lifestyle while younger people wonder what happened.

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Haha.

It would highly motivate me to get a job, why work for JSA, when I could work for a real wage.

Any idea how expensive apprentaships are for employees and how darn good they are for the employee. You get given a chance with no experience and have 10s of thousands spent on you in training, then most companies treat you well due to the huge investment they have ploughed into developing you.

 

[deko]

So from that I guess we can assume you are socialist riotchavscum?

You come across as someone that has literally just discovered the difference between the two main parties but, like that Rory Weal boy from the other month, has forgotten that actually Labour are just a different shade of blue as well.

Is it impossible to have political views outside of the main 2 parties? They are just different shades of right wing lunacy Because I hate the tories, I am immediately a Labour supporter?

No, they get training and JSA, does this mean the 1,000's of uni students each year who do work placement for nothing simply to futher themselves should also no do it unless they get money?

Working in Tesco is training? For what? We're lucky Apes aren't working in Tesco.