Take a bow, mighty conservative Britain, the workhouses are back

[NathanE]

Do you not understand what's wrong with this idea?

If these people ARE WORKING they deserve a real wage.

If you are going to make them work, then ******* pay them a wage for the time they do.

Free labour is only going to drive down wages for the already low paid workers & give Tesco's an unfair advantage against competitors.

It is free labour to the employer. To the "employee" (the job seeker) it isn't anything of the sort. They are getting paid their job seeking allowance. Which can be considered a temporary wage in lieu of having a permanent job.

Really they shouldn't be offering private sector companies like Tesco this. It should be offered to councils. That way we can have these job seekers doing litter picking, graffiti removal, pot hole filling, and helping out the dustmen. Public funds would then result in public gains.

 

[Glaucus]

Is it impossible to have political views outside of the main 2 parties?

Of course it is. But such deluded opinions do not come from such people.
And nice personal attack.

 

[PapaLazaru]

What a fantastic initiative!

Anybody that thinks otherwise, what are your suggestions to help the unemployed back into work?

 

[paulh]

People being threatened into working for big corp, 30 hours per week in return for 57 quid (1.80 odd an hour) is slavery!

So its better to give them free money then!??

I started as a trainee (10 years ago) on £60pw for a 37.5h week, 5 years later I was manager on over £10ph!

Everyone has to start somewhere!

Also JSA is for people looking for a job, how can they moan when they are given one!!111!!!11!!

 

[elmarko]

They aren't doing a real job. They are still on JSA, they haven't gone through interview or any suitability checks. It's for a maximum of 8 weeks. So no they don't deserve a real pay. If they get real pay they don't need JSA.
Why would any company pay proper wage for those circumstances.
Why should people on JSA be able to claim it for doing sod all. What gives them that right?

And it's not going to do anything of the sort. For a start I bet it's regulated. Secondly there's a hole host of reasons why such workers won't perform well enough.

Are you really this stupid?.

If they are working full time, they deserve protection from the national minimum wage.

I don't care if it's part of a "JSA thing", they should stop receiving JSA during the time & Tesco's & receive the minimum wage for the time they work from the employer, then go back onto JSA when it's over.

That may actually encourage some of them to get into work (if they have something to show for it) - otherwise it's not going to work.

 

[oulton]

So from that I guess we can assume you are socialist riotchavscum?

You come across as someone that has literally just discovered the difference between the two main parties but, like that Rory Weal boy from the other month, has forgotten that actually Labour are just a different shade of blue as well.

Nope, I'm a high achiever with a good master's degree from a decent university. I'm neither red or blue or yellow. It doesn't stop me seeing the unfairness in how our current government is oppressing the weak and poor

 

[Glaucus]

Really they shouldn't be offering private sector companies like Tesco this. It should be offered to councils. That way we can have these job seekers doing litter picking, graffiti removal, pot hole filling, and helping out the dustmen. Public funds would then result in public gains.

half those jobs need training or expensive equipment as well as H&s issues.
Secondly do councils have the time or staff to baby sit such people and be able to cope when people don't turn in or are late etc.

Why do people think such companies have scratched the governments backs. Do you really think poundland are bribing the government. These companies are the ones who can help no manage the program.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Working in Tesco is training? For what? We're lucky Apes aren't working in Tesco.

It give you the idea of work, what it's all about, arriving on time, sticking to schedules, doing work, applying yourself regardless how remedial the task.

Some might see work out of it at the end, other can put it down as works experience and use Tescos as a reference for future jobs.

So yes a total waste of time.

 

[Glaucus]

Are you really this stupid?.

If they are working full time, they deserve protection from the national minimum wage.

I don't care if it's part of a "JSA thing", they should stop receiving JSA during the time & Tesco's & receive the minimum wage for the time they work from the employer, then go back onto JSA when it's over.

That may actually encourage some of them to get into work (if they have something to show for it) - otherwise it's not going to work.

If the companies did that why would they. they would just go through the normal selection program and hire motivated staff that can do the job.
So no it's no stupid opinion at all. Look at it logically and you soon realise why the program, is like it is.

 

[elmarko]

I can't see this as a bad thing.

JSA isn't and shouldn't be "free money". As long as the scheme is with the intention giving young people experience of a work place, such that they get used to a regular place of work each day, being somewhere on time, dressing reasonably smartly. You'd be surprised at the number of unemployable people there are in the UK who can't even manage that.

A lot of the posters mentioning that these large firms will have a continual supply of free labour are misjudging one thing - a core aim for any manager or someone in a senior HR position is in reducing staff turnover. Especially in industries such as supermarkets and fast food. A massive part of having an efficient operation is in having staff that know their job, who are trained for their job and who want to be there.

Whilst the labour might be free, training and supervision isn't - and it's a real cost, so it's not in Tesco's interest to take on a ridiculous number of these placements to replace full paid staff, but rather it would be a good way to recruit and to see potential recruits.

Training & supervision to work in Tesco's isn't exactly stellar.

You could get a trained monkey to do most office jobs in the UK - I'm sure a pack-mule/donkey could do most retail jobs with training.

 

[deko]

Everyone seems to assume that for people with no qualifications there are a million jobs and they are all too lazy to get one. It doesn't quite work like that.

 

[boxman2000]

Not really fair to say that people on JSA wouldn't work hard or even have experience in this area. Sure you'll have those that don't bother and probably pull sickies etc, but I'd still like to have faith in people that they would make the most of the opportunity, as stupid and exploitative as it is!

 

[cheets64]

Haha.

It would highly motivate me to get a job, why work for JSA, when I could work for a real wage.

Any idea how expensive apprentaships are for employees and how darn good they are for the employee. You get given a chance with no experience and have 10s of thousands spent on you in training, then most companies treat you well due to the huge investment they have ploughed into developing you.

Like I said, if they put 2.5million people on to this 8 week course, where are 2.5 million jobs going to come from? You will still have 2.5 million people fighting for the jobs that are out their and lets face it people on JSA are going for low paid jobs low skilled jobs and wont gain anything from working in Tesco for 8 weeks that suddenly makes them employable, this would be great for young people that have never worked.

Apprenticeships are part funded, they are great but are often abused by employers.

 

[elmarko]

If the companies did that why would they. Why would they go through the normal selection program and hire motivated staff that can do the job.
So no it's no stupid opinion at all. Look at it logically and you soon realise why the program, is like it is.

Please reference the evidence to backup how this is a logical idea.

Please reference the extensive studies on behaviourism which imply that getting people to do free labour (while receiving virtually no gain) will improve self-esteem & encourage them to join the workforce.

Based on our current scientific understanding of human behaviour, this is not logical or intelligent.

It's designed to appease the "ZOMG BENFIT LEECHSERS ARE ALL BADLOLOLOL TROLLOLO" idiots like you.

 

[Firestar_3x]

Everyone seems to assume that for people with no qualifications there are a million jobs and they are all too lazy to get one. It doesn't quite work like that.

So what should they do, sit in front of the TV in a council house smoking 10 a day popping out children and never work?

People should see this as a helping hand not an inconvenience, but then again i want to and do work for a living.

Enough of the don't give me some ideas and do's how would you engage and encourage the youth of today into work?

 

[NathanE]

Nope, I'm a high achiever with a good master's degree from a decent university. I'm neither red or blue or yellow. It doesn't stop me seeing the unfairness in how our current government is oppressing the weak and poor

They aren't though? They didn't get into power and just stop all welfare did they?

What's happened is that the riotchavscum of this country has never had it so good for the last 10 years. Labour was racking up billions of debt keeping them all happy. Now that that debt has become a problem and Labour are no longer in power to keep propping up that system. The riotchavscum are merely returning to the standard operating level that they were used to in the past, and should get used to again, for at least the next 20 to 30 years.

If you're neither red blue or yellow then what are you? A non voter then? So why are you complaining!? If you didn't vote, you can't complain when the government is doing something you disagree with.

 

[Strife212]

It makes me laugh when people accuse the current government of being far right, most conservatives hate the coalition government for not being right enough.

They haven't even cut spending anywhere yet.

 

[Glaucus]

Like I said, if they put 2.5million people on to this 8 week course, where are 2.5 million jobs going to come from? You will still have 2.5 million people fighting for jobs.
.

You might actually get a bigger portion of the market filled there are hundreds of thousands of available jobs.
The jas scheme jobs are created from no where. The companies will lose money using such people, but can also use it as a test bed to hire people from. If they work well they'll be offered a job.

 

[elmarko]

Everyone seems to assume that for people with no qualifications there are a million jobs and they are all too lazy to get one. It doesn't quite work like that.

Indeed,

The average idiot on here does not quite appreciate that in most areas 50+ applicants go for every single job.

We have more people than jobs, there is always going to be unemployment.

Until we have more jobs, this will always happen.

People have not suddenly got lazier since the recession, opportunities have dried up (specifically in areas north of London.)

 

[Efour]

The very problem is that if you have a source of free labour, you will not recruit as you have a constantly supply of 6 weekly changing people that are after 2 days can put the box of apples on the shelf the same as the guy being paid minimum wage.

It is very much like Internships