Sometimes I'm ashamed to be British...

Burnsy2023 · 30 Nov 2011 at 12:37

dirtydog said:
Should it be mandatory under the law that everyone has a RIGHT to NOT be offended? Because surely anything one says about anything, has the potential to offend. I might be sitting on a train and remark that I don't support the strikes today. That would undoubtedly offend some people. Should I be arrested, or told by the authorities to keep my mouth shut?

Would that alarm, distress or harass a reasonable person? No, therefore it doesn't apply to the POA.

PermaBanned · 30 Nov 2011 at 12:51

Racism != 'Being Offended'

dirtydog · 30 Nov 2011 at 13:00

You'll notice that the tram woman doesn't use any racial epithets. Saying people are black or Polish isn't being racist. Saying foreigners aren't English isn't being racist.

Yas786 · 30 Nov 2011 at 13:02

sp1ke said:
I have a problem with burkas because they represent female oppression. Simple. In my mind this is a free country there shouldn't be honor killings and forced marriages here.

LMAO and you do realise that a lot of these women that wear the burkha do so of their own free will...no doubt some are forced by the men of their households.

So i would imagine that if you have a problem with such garments then you would like to see them banned...quite ironic seeing as you just said that the UK is a free country etc etc.

For the record, im muslim and im no huge fan of the burkha myself but meh what does it matter to me if a woman chooses to wear one...no skin off my nose and doesnt affect my daily life.

Burnsy2023 · 30 Nov 2011 at 13:03

dirtydog said:
You'll notice that the tram woman doesn't use any racial epithets. Saying people are black or Polish isn't being racist. Saying foreigners aren't English isn't being racist.

Saying black people aren't British is discriminating based on racial appearance.

FishFluff · 30 Nov 2011 at 13:03

dirtydog said:
What she said was correct though wasn't it?

If I go to live in Africa, do I suddenly become African?

So how are foreigners who come here and get our citizenship, really British in any sense other than name?

No, you wouldn't. If you were born here then you're British.

Or are do you agree with the woman in the video (and I think I already know the answer to this one) when she said "You ain't british, you're black."

elmarko · 30 Nov 2011 at 13:13

Spawn said:
LMAO and you do realise that a lot of these women that wear the burkha do so of their own free will...no doubt some are forced by the men of their households.

So i would imagine that if you have a problem with such garments then you would like to see them banned...quite ironic seeing as you just said that the UK is a free country etc etc.

For the record, im muslim and im no huge fan of the burkha myself but meh what does it matter to me if a woman chooses to wear one...no skin off my nose and doesnt affect my daily life.

If somebody is indoctrinated into believing something is acceptable (being personally oppressed) then it's often recognised they have a diminished capacity for informed consent.

The same applies to adults who gain consent from children for sexual advanced, the fact consent was given is irrelevant - specifically if they suffer a penalty/punishment if they say no.

The concept is oppressive in it's construction.

I find it odd how you say,

""no skin off my nose and doesnt affect my daily life" - perhaps you should apply this attitude to a few other things.

Yas786 · 30 Nov 2011 at 13:17

elmarko1234 said:
I find it odd how you say,

""no skin off my nose and doesnt affect my daily life" - perhaps you should apply this attitude to a few other things.

Like what exactly??..please do tell.

Narj · 30 Nov 2011 at 13:23

Not sure about the "ashamed to be British" thing, because there are absolute tools and scumbags from every nationality and background.

Regarding the video - this woman was obviously off her face, but in all seriousness, this kind of attitude is what happens when some people see the demographic of their immediate area changed so much in such a short time.

BTW this is pretty minor compared to the other things that kick off on the Croydon trams. :eek:

PS: Social services need to get that kid away from her ASAP.

agnes · 30 Nov 2011 at 13:41

I am bloody proud to be British. Very...

Slappers like that woman from the video is nothing to do with being ashamed. Simply embarassed for her. That she stooped to such a low and has a kid in her arms.

Noel Gallagher · 30 Nov 2011 at 14:08

titaniumx3 said:
She should be ignored and banned from using the tram. If the internet has taught me anything, it is that you should never feed a troll.

But then the internet would be boring

Nevakonaza · 30 Nov 2011 at 14:13

Anyone see another vid put up of yet another woman doing exactly the same thing?

I can understand her frustration,and in a way i do agree that there are way too many immigrants in our country taking our jobs & basically taking over and making our country their own,But i don't agree with all the racial abuse she is giving them... thats no on at all.

If anyones to blame about all the immigrants,Its our government.

Metalface Mark · 30 Nov 2011 at 14:14

bowey said:
yes scum of the earth she is without doubt pathetic..

england is a small island that gives away to much that is the problem and cannot be ignored, no racism just doesn't take brains to work out we are getting very crowded

England isnt an island.

badcompany · 30 Nov 2011 at 14:43

What triggered this outbust? Are we privvy to this? Something must have set her off understandably she is outspoken but why?

Supercow · 30 Nov 2011 at 14:45

dirtydog said:
So how are foreigners who come here and get our citizenship, really British in any sense other than name?

OK, "first generation" new British citizens have to:

Choose to come to the country to make a better life for themselves
They pay for expensive visa costs.
They pay for an exam on British citizenship, based on history, politics and so forth, based on quite a comprehensive book.
They pay for expensive passport fees and at the end of it, swear to the allegiance to Queen and country.

This is a process which takes years. (10 I believe, but could be wrong)

Second generation (Kids of the above)

They were born here

You

You were born here.

So what exactly makes you different from the above... the guy who's worked hard to settle in his home of choice?
What makes you different to his kids?

Speaking of generations, how far down the generation tree do you feel someone could be called British?

i-bert · 30 Nov 2011 at 14:49

badcompany said:
What triggered this outbust? Are we privvy to this? Something must have set her off understandably she is outspoken but why?

Smack heads and drunks don't need anything to start them off. They start an arguement in their own head and don't realise that they have started speaking out loud.

Biohazard · 30 Nov 2011 at 14:49

dirtydog said:
You'll notice that the tram woman doesn't use any racial epithets. Saying people are black or Polish isn't being racist. Saying foreigners aren't English isn't being racist.

You keep telling the children that.

antijoke · 30 Nov 2011 at 14:51

PianoBasher said:
PS: Social services need to get that kid away from her ASAP.

No they don't.

:rolleyes:

I am never ashamed to be British. She does not hold the same views as me, and anyone that would have a problem with 'me' as English because of this lady, is no better than she is.

Supercow · 30 Nov 2011 at 14:52

anticonscience said:
No they don't.

Agree that they don't, everyone's entitled to their own opinion... I just feel bad for the kid that he's been born into her gene pool.

Narj · 30 Nov 2011 at 14:54

Supercow said:
Agree that they don't, everyone's entitled to their own opinion... I just feel bad for the kid that he's been born into her gene pool.

I was more worried about the fact that she seems to be off her face in charge of a child. Nothing to do with her views.