'man' feeds kitten to his pet snake

clv101 · 6 Dec 2011 at 00:15

Mickie said:
if people cant see whats wrong with feeding a cat to a snake, would they also have no problem with feeding any mammal to a snake?

If we can agree it's okay to feed snakes mice, rats and chicks... then I can't see it's rational say there's anything wrong with feeding it a hamster, rabbit, or, indeed a cat.

Only irrational sentimentality draws a line after the former and before the latter.

Mickie · 6 Dec 2011 at 00:37

clv101 said:
If we can agree it's okay to feed snakes mice, rats and chicks... then I can't see it's rational say there's anything wrong with feeding it a hamster, rabbit, or, indeed a cat.

Only irrational sentimentality draws a line after the former and before the latter.

did this thread and the lad feeding a snake a cat make you move that line?

is their any animal on the earth you wouldnt agree killing ? or are you happy killing anything?

we as a human race make those lines, you as an individual dont really have a say on moving the line..

you think more like a wild animal which have no lines to cross and dont mind eating anything.

wannabedamned · 6 Dec 2011 at 07:43

bhavv said:
So I suppose you think that people that work in slaughterhouses killing hundreds of animals a day are sick, twisted and immoral?

You really have no understanding of morality at all, you are consumed with anger due to seeing a cute fluffy thing getting eaten.

You really do miss the point EVERY time you post.

Case 1. A Slaughter house: A guy doing his job, Which is generally killing live stock with a single tap\bolt to the creatures head killing it instantly.

Case 2. A guy sets up a camera, Gets a kitten places it into a christmas hat and proceeds to place it onto the bed, Allowing a snake to eat it, Which is a slow process.

You think both have equally sadistic human involvement? Both are inhumane with regards to the animal?

bhavv · 6 Dec 2011 at 08:23

No, humans killing animals in anyway whatsoever is more inhumane than a snake feeding on a live cat.

Also @ Mickie - in this case a Human didnt kill any animal, a snake did.

Humans kill plenty of animals on a daily basis, why dont you object to all and any forms of animal slaughter if you are so upset over seeing a carnivore eat its prey?

bhavv · 6 Dec 2011 at 08:28

wannabedamned said:
Case 1. A Slaughter house: A guy doing his job, Which is generally killing live stock with a single tap\bolt to the creatures head killing it instantly.

What about Halal / Kosher meat? What about keeping animals in inhumane conditions as is the case with caged hens?

A simple google read tells me that a lot of slaughter houses and staff in such facilities dont killl their animals humanely, nor in the way that you describe.

Karl · 6 Dec 2011 at 08:30

bhavv said:
No, humans killing animals in anyway whatsoever is more inhumane than a snake feeding on a live cat.

Also @ Mickie - in this case a Human didnt kill any animal, a snake did.

Humans kill plenty of animals on a daily basis, why dont you object to all and any forms of animal slaughter if you are so upset over seeing a carnivore eat its prey?

So just to clarify, you think that it's more inhumane to kill a pig with a bolt gun to turn it into pork than it is inhumane to get a kitten, dress it up in a christmas hat, place it in front of a snake and film it, and then put a christmasy backing track behind it?

Just so we're clear.

Do you think that the pig scenario is more immoral too?

bhavv · 6 Dec 2011 at 08:34

A lot of animals in slaughter houses are stilll gutted and slaughtered whilst still live. How is that any more humane than feeding a cat to a snake?

bhavv · 6 Dec 2011 at 08:37

Karl said:
So just to clarify, you think that it's more inhumane to kill a pig with a bolt gun to turn it into pork than it is inhumane to get a kitten, dress it up in a christmas hat, place it in front of a snake and film it, and then put a christmasy backing track behind it?

Just so we're clear.

Do you think that the pig scenario is more immoral too?

Basically, the conclusion from other peoples opinions that I can draw are -

Its more humane to kill animals for human consumption via bleeding them till they die, or gutting them while still alive than it is for a snake to eat live prey. Its also more humane to keep chickens caged in cramped conditions, overfeeding them to the point where they can no longer stand, all so that they can be killed to feed us.

Karl · 6 Dec 2011 at 08:39

But what's your opinion?

Do you agree that it's more inhumane for a human to kill a pig than it is for a snake to kill a cat?

(Not having a go)

NathWraith · 6 Dec 2011 at 08:39

Bhavv I think you need to agree to disagree you are going round in circles with each other.

rossk26 · 6 Dec 2011 at 08:43

bhavv said:
A lot of animals in slaughter houses are stilll gutted and slaughtered whilst still live. How is that any more humane than feeding a cat to a snake?

Firstly: Are you educated?

I think you need to "get with the times" and modern society, we as a human race have evolved massive, and I feel you are back in time when us humans didn't wear much clothes and had a limited vocabulary...

Your dwelling too much on the fact you don't like the furry kitten, when in the grand scheme of things you are missing the point.

There is a human being with serious mental problems, regardless of what animal has been fed to the snake here. The animal has been lead to it's unnatural death in an unnatural way.

Today we live in a society where there are clearly levels of acceptance. Supermarkets stock up on wasp/fly/bee spray (is that right or wrong?). I doubt you would find a spray for a bearded dragon????

Animals are bred to become domesticated, snakes, rabbits, cats, dogs, horses.....

None of these animals should be subject to torture and neglect. The snake in the video is not at fault, the owner is. The snake is performing only what is natural to him (although my suspicion is he had been starved for a long time in preparation for the video).

End of rant. I eagerly await your inevitable response....

wannabedamned · 6 Dec 2011 at 08:44

bhavv said:
Basically, the conclusion from other peoples opinions that I can draw are -

Its more humane to kill animals for human consumption via bleeding them till they die, or gutting them while still alive than it is for a snake to eat live prey.

Where did you pull that from? We've mentioned bolt guns. No one has mentioned killing them halal style other than you. Which to be fair, is cruel.

elmarko · 6 Dec 2011 at 08:45

bhavv said:
Basically, the conclusion from other peoples opinions that I can draw are -

Its more humane to kill animals for human consumption via bleeding them till they die, or gutting them while still alive than it is for a snake to eat live prey. Its also more humane to keep hens and chickens caged in cramped conditions, overfeeding them to the point where they can no longer stand, all so that they can be killed to feed us.

Was the poster of the video a cat breeder?, because if not the kitten would have been sold on the premise it was kept as a pet, not to be killed.

Also, considering the SAME PERSON has recorded videos of simply drowning/suffocating kittens the argument is invalid.

The intended purpose of this video is to offend & upset animal lovers, if it was JUST the snake video they created it would at least have an inch of debating worth - but with all the additional features this video was created & then posted on a public forum to incite anger, this isn't some statement about the hypocrisy of "fluffy bunny syndrome" - which I agree is a problem.

But taking into account the other videos (of the person killing animals for nothing more than personal amusement/desire to see another creature suffer) - that argument falls invalid.

It is clearly different for us to kill animals for consumption than for amusement (which is one of the reasons fox hunting is illegal now).

Karl · 6 Dec 2011 at 08:52

I think I justify meat production to myself by the knowledge that the death has a purpose.

Bolt -> Pig = okay because the meat will be butchered and used, and it'll go to lots of people.

Cat -> snake = Not okay because the primary reason for that to take place was the (very unsavoury form of) pleasure derived from filming the act.

If we were farming kittens for food you'd wonder what the point was considering there's virtually no meat on them, but you couldn't really argue the point too much (although clearly a lot of people here are!)

I find kittens extremely cute too, and I don't think I could kill any animal for food.

grimm · 6 Dec 2011 at 11:42

I don't really understand why people are getting worked up over this thread. It should be enough just to state your opinion and leave it at that. There are equallly strong and valid arguments on both sides.

elmarko · 6 Dec 2011 at 11:46

grimm said:
I don't really understand why people are getting worked up over this thread. It should be enough just to state your opinion and leave it at that. There are equallly strong and valid arguments on both sides.

What's the point of just two sides stating opinions & then just agreeing to disagree?.

May as well not bother at all to begin with.

You do know what the purpose of a debate is don't you?.

bhavv · 6 Dec 2011 at 11:53

wannabedamned said:
Where did you pull that from? We've mentioned bolt guns. No one has mentioned killing them halal style other than you. Which to be fair, is cruel.

From googling slaughterhouses and methods.

There is far much cruelty to animals in this world than a video of a snake eating a cat, that is my point.

grimm · 6 Dec 2011 at 11:57

elmarko1234 said:
What's the point of just two sides stating opinions & then just agreeing to disagree?.

May as well not bother at all to begin with.

You do know what the purpose of a debate is don't you?.

Well, judging by what I'v read in this thread so far, if you call it a "debate", I would conclude that the purpose would be to throw personal insults around (which is what you have just done by the way), annoy a lot of people, and probably cause the thread to be locked.

Generally, in life, I'v found that insulting people does not tend to cause them to align their views with yours. Just saying.

Cupra · 6 Dec 2011 at 12:00

its the circle of life,

snake was hungry mand fed it a small animal

how is this even news worthy?

/end thread

RopAyy · 6 Dec 2011 at 12:07

clv101 said:
If we can agree it's okay to feed snakes mice, rats and chicks... then I can't see it's rational say there's anything wrong with feeding it a hamster, rabbit, or, indeed a cat.

Only irrational sentimentality draws a line after the former and before the latter.

This.

I disagree with this woman whos killing cats for her own pleasure.
It just so happens one of the videos includes a live feeding of a kitten to tug on the heart strings of society to provoke a reaction.
In fact i think everyone would agree she is sick and twisted after seeing the other videos!

The argument people are getting involved in now is whether its okay or not to live feed.
The issues i have are those who have no issues with a snake been live fed a rat or a mouse but pipe up when its kitten chow time.
There should be no moral line drawn between either of the mammals, i for one think cats are as much vermin as rats are and cause me much more hassle around the home/garden.
Im sure many of those crying about the cat have at some point say laid down a mouse trap without batting an eye lid. What if i get sick of the cat in my garage or garden and lay down a cat trap?