Muslim girl gang escape jail after judge hears 'they weren't used to drinking because of their relig
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Because its in the telegraph aswell.
Only the Attorney General can refer the sentence to the Court of Appeal, although anyone can ask his office to consider making a referral if you have the appropriate details: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov.uk/ULS/Pages/default.aspx
No, it isn't. The Crown would have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that the criminal offence was motivated by racism. If the only evidence is one of the several defendants saying "Kill the white ****" in the heat of the attack, the racial element can't be made out.
It isn't enough that the defendants are racists or said something nasty. The question is 'Would this attack have happened if not for the victim's religion/race?' There is no evidence to suggest the defendants went out prowling for a white girl to attack.
My point was aimed at those criticising the daily mail.
I'm not even going to bother casting any judgement on the issue because you can't expect to get an accurate picture of what happened from a news article - it's just not possible.
Did you watch the video?
Yes.
Can i ask what you don't find clear then?
You wouldn't if you told the prosecution you weren't used to drinking.... lolwut.
I don't really think I need to elaborate but:
- accurate details of the charges
- what was said and to whom
- details of injuries
- defences raised
- strength of the prosecution's case
- the reasoning behind the suspended sentence
Depends on the circumstances.
If you're a known bunch of racist ******** and there is no plausible explanation for the attack other than racism, the prosecution will probably put the racially aggravated element in front of a jury.
If you're attacked by a gang and fight back, your words would probably demolish any self-defence argument but it couldn't be proven that you were violent because you were motivated by racial hatred.
OK I understand that but what we can see is a girl getting attacked and kicked in the head while she was on the floor which in most cases can be called attempted murder.
Now say all of the party were white or black taking race out of the equation, do you not think a group of people kicking someone's head repeatedly while they are on the floor defenceless would not get more than a suspended sentence.
No it can't, that's just wacky
Depends on the circumstances *shrug*
I don't really know what else to say really.
No it can't, that's just wacky
But they were allegedly shouting things along the lines of "kill the white bitch"
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So why is the Stephen Lawrence murder treated as racial? No proof other than his friend said they shouted some racist abuse.
Not saying it was racial or wasn't, personally i can't conclusively say but going by the replies on here from others somebody suggesting it was racial doesn't mean it was without proof as they claim the white woman who got beat up and her boyfriend can only make claims it was racial, there were no sounds captured so they cannot prove it was racial. Isn't this the same for Stephen?
Genuinely interested, i'm trying to work out what the difference is.
Not saying it was racial or wasn't, personally i can't conclusively say but going by the replies on here from others somebody suggesting it was racial doesn't mean it was without proof as they claim the white woman who got beat up and her boyfriend can only make claims it was racial, there were no sounds captured so they cannot prove it was racial. Isn't this the same for Stephen?
Genuinely interested, i'm trying to work out what the difference is.
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This is what i was trying to get at earlier, the attack may well have been racially motivated but without knowing more(the events prior to the attack really) we can't say that it was.
If someone stole my wallet and ran off and i tackled them to the ground and beat them up(unlikely!!), If i called them a 'black ****' the attack would not be racially motivated. We do not know why they kicked off, as i say it might well have been racially motivated, but it is not a foregone conclusion.
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The woman on the tram will be screaming, "I told you so!!!"
The victim is still alive so can we put to rest any notion that this was attempted murder?
You ahve said m uch the same on these very forums, so you admit to comitting a racial crime?
Or perhaps it is a non-story with little known evidence to support the writing of any legitimate newspaper article in a trustworthy print?