Anyone think The Beatles are overrated?

Nitefly · 7 Dec 2011 at 23:44

bhavv said:
Writing songs which actually make sense would be a starter for being a talented songwriter, or which actually sound decent and arent simplistic mediocre compositions, or if they could actually sing.

I think they succeeded on all three. Not sure why you are damning them on a few numbers with obscure lyrics!

bhavv · 7 Dec 2011 at 23:53

hey Jude

Na na na, na-na na na
Na-na na na, hey Jude
Na na na, na-na na na
Na-na na na, hey Jude

Na na na, na-na na na
Na-na na na, hey Jude
Na na na, na-na na na
Na-na na na, hey Jude

Great lyrics!

Well he worries his teacher till at night she's ready to poop
From rocking and a-rolling spinning in a hula hoop

Get to the barber shop and get that hair cut off your head
Threw the canary and you fed it to the neighbors cat
You gave the cocker spaniel a bath in mother's laundromat

WTH is this ... I dont even ....

easyrider · 7 Dec 2011 at 23:58

Words are flowing out like
Endless rain into a paper cup
They slither wildly as they slip away across the universe.
Pools of sorrow waves of joy
Are drifting through my opened mind
Possessing and caressing me.

Jai Guru Deva. Om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

Images of broken light, which
Dance before me like a million eyes,
They call me on and on across the universe.
Thoughts meander like a
Restless wind inside a letter box
They tumble blindly as they make their way across the universe.

Jai Guru Deva. Om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

Sounds of laughter, shades of life
Are ringing through my opened ears
Inciting and inviting me.
Limitless undying love, which
Shines around me like a million suns,
It calls me on and on across the universe

Jai Guru Deva.
Jai Guru Deva.
Jai Guru Deva.
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

bhavv · 7 Dec 2011 at 23:59

Those lyrics are bad as well, far too much same line repetition. And the rest just sound like they were high when they wrote it.

Nitefly · 8 Dec 2011 at 00:09

bhavv said:
Great lyrics!

Considering you are so musically gifted, I'm surprised you didn't know that section was a coda.

bhavv · 8 Dec 2011 at 00:14

Nitefly said:
Considering you are so musically gifted, I'm surprised you didn't know that section was a coda.

I dont rely on / have never learnt music theory. I would only ever simply play and any time I would be taught almost anything from music theory, I would think 'thats simple, I already knew that or didnt need to know it'.

Regardless of that, a coda doesnt have to be as repetetive or dull as 'na na na na....' being repeated over and over again.

If most artists today did that, people wouldnt like it.

easyrider · 8 Dec 2011 at 00:21

bhavv said:
Those lyrics are bad as well, far too much same line repetition. And the rest just sound like they were high when they wrote it.

Lennon wrote it. Not they

PermaBanned · 8 Dec 2011 at 00:27

Lennon was the best songwriter. Followed by George. Then... well, it's a toughy, but i have to say Paul

SexyGreyFox · 8 Dec 2011 at 07:38

bhavv said:
I knew all my scales and chords and how to use them when I was 7.

And ............ ?

That's like a bloke having a garage full of mechanics tools but doesn't know how to repair a car.
Just because you know scales & chords doesn't mean you are capable of writing a decent song.

Anyway, I can see by other threads that your are just argumentative for the sake of it so I'm going to bow out.

easyrider · 8 Dec 2011 at 09:00

bhavv said:
Those lyrics are bad as well, far too much same line repetition. And the rest just sound like they were high when they wrote it.

Troll,

Lyrics don't have to make sense period.

easyrider · 8 Dec 2011 at 09:02

bhavv said:
hey Jude

Na na na, na-na na na
Na-na na na, hey Jude
Na na na, na-na na na
Na-na na na, hey Jude

Na na na, na-na na na
Na-na na na, hey Jude
Na na na, na-na na na
Na-na na na, hey Jude

Great lyrics!

Music analyst Alan Pollack praised "Hey Jude," saying, "it's such a good illustration of two compositional lessons—how to fill a large canvas with simple means, and how to use diverse elements such as harmony, bassline, and orchestration to articulate form and contrast." He also said it is unusual for a long song because it uses a "binary form that combines a fully developed, hymn-like song together with an extended, mantra-like jam on a simple chord progression. Pollack described the song's long coda and fadeout as "an astonishingly transcendental effect, while Unterberger observed, "What could have very easily been boring is instead hypnotic".

a1ex2001 · 8 Dec 2011 at 09:23

easyrider said:
Music analyst Alan Pollack praised "Hey Jude," saying, "it's such a good illustration of two compositional lessons—how to fill a large canvas with simple means, and how to use diverse elements such as harmony, bassline, and orchestration to articulate form and contrast." He also said it is unusual for a long song because it uses a "binary form that combines a fully developed, hymn-like song together with an extended, mantra-like jam on a simple chord progression. Pollack described the song's long coda and fadeout as "an astonishingly transcendental effect, while Unterberger observed, "What could have very easily been boring is instead hypnotic".

Well played sir!

Sadly I suspect he will be back preaching the same stuff as in all his other posts in this thread, he is clearly incapable of accepting that there is any talent or skill required to wrote and perform a 'pop song' a term which he is using to cover everything from the Beatles to Brittany Spears despite the fact that it is an ever changing definition just reffering to what is popular today so back in the distant mists of time would also have covered all the classical composers!

SexyGreyFox · 8 Dec 2011 at 12:10

a1ex2001 said:
Well played sir!

Sadly I suspect he will be back preaching the same stuff as in all his other posts in this thread, he is clearly incapable of accepting that there is any talent or skill required to wrote and perform a 'pop song' a term which he is using to cover everything from the Beatles to Brittany Spears despite the fact that it is an ever changing definition just reffering to what is popular today so back in the distant mists of time would also have covered all the classical composers!

He also forgets that back in the time of the famous composers most of them were struggling to make a living and a lot of them wrote Agadoo & Birdy Song tunes for money in their pocket and were eventually put in paupers graves.
It also took a lot of work to get their music out there and sometimes a piece of music may only have been played once.
Of course during their day they had 'musique critics' like bhavv saying that their music wasn't as good as the old stuff.

Robosapien · 8 Dec 2011 at 19:14

bhavv said:
I can play by ear and from memory with 100% accuracy / improvise / compose and songwrite, but my wrist injury has prevented me from doing that, and my composition ideas were all of a very difficult standard that took me a very long time to be able to play.

Ahahahahahahah! How convenient. So in actual fact, you can't do any of those things!

What a shame we can't just ask you to produce your masterpieces for us to behold.

SexyGreyFox · 8 Dec 2011 at 20:04

Robosapien said:
Ahahahahahahah! How convenient. So in actual fact, you can't do any of those things!

What a shame we can't just ask you to produce your masterpieces for us to behold.

Well every single one of us who have got to a certain level will have something on video/audio or even a picture of us sitting at a grand piano doing a performance.
He will definitely have something to prove he used to be able to do it.
Won't he?

AberystwythLAD · 8 Dec 2011 at 22:16

easyrider said:
Music analyst Alan Pollack praised "Hey Jude," saying, "it's such a good illustration of two compositional lessons—how to fill a large canvas with simple means, and how to use diverse elements such as harmony, bassline, and orchestration to articulate form and contrast." He also said it is unusual for a long song because it uses a "binary form that combines a fully developed, hymn-like song together with an extended, mantra-like jam on a simple chord progression. Pollack described the song's long coda and fadeout as "an astonishingly transcendental effect, while Unterberger observed, "What could have very easily been boring is instead hypnotic".

With Hey Jude I can understand as the rest of the song makes sense in the initial instance. However, some of their other songs have garbage lyrics all the way through.

PermaBanned said:
Lennon was the best songwriter. Followed by George. Then... well, it's a toughy, but i have to say Paul

Clearly very intelligent too then as he obviously saved his best for his solo efforts to make himself stand out more.

easyrider · 8 Dec 2011 at 22:24

AberystwythLAD said:
With Hey Jude I can understand as the rest of the song makes sense in the initial instance. However, some of their other songs have garbage lyrics all the way through.

Example?

Clearly very intelligent too then as he obviously saved his best for his solo efforts to make himself stand out more.

You do know that after 1966 most of the writing for Beatles was done individually?

Rarely did they write together...

You do Know that Jealous Guy from Lennons Solo Album Imagine was written in 1968 in india when in the Beatles....

Harrison never collaborated with his own songs,

Your last statement is again More BS to back up your non arguement.

THMRK · 8 Dec 2011 at 22:34

bhavv said:
I dont rely on / have never learnt music theory. I would only ever simply play and any time I would be taught almost anything from music theory, I would think 'thats simple, I already knew that or didnt need to know it'.

Regardless of that, a coda doesnt have to be as repetetive or dull as 'na na na na....' being repeated over and over again.

If most artists today did that, people wouldnt like it.

If you're "past" grade 8 on an instrument of any kind then you must be capable of sight reading music. Clearly that requires a knowledge of theory.

SexyGreyFox · 8 Dec 2011 at 22:47

Woody__ said:
If you're "past" grade 8 on an instrument of any kind then you must be capable of sight reading music. Clearly that requires a knowledge of theory.

You're wrong Woody.
I'm clearly around Grade 25 and I can't read music.
I've hurt my little toe so I can't really prove it either and I bit my tongue.

THMRK · 8 Dec 2011 at 22:52

Dimple said:
You're wrong Woody.
I'm clearly around Grade 25 and I can't read music.
I've hurt my little toe so I can't really prove it either and I bit my tongue.

If one were to go through the actual process of getting graded, then one would had to have been able to read music in order to get the grading. That's my point.

I'm clearly higher than grade 8 myself and I can only read music a little, but I've never claimed to be graded. One would assume if one claims to be beyond a certain grade that one would have been through the grading process, no?