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GTX 580 1.5GB to GTX 560ti 2GB SLI ? Thoughts . . . . ?

Why is that?!

Most new games are perfectly optimized for SLI/x fire. I see no reason for problems TBH.

Wow, you're incredibly brave.

Firstly hardly any games are optimised for SLI or Crossfire.

Meeting of a CEO of EA or Activision goes something like this...

"Boss, we have to get that game out on XX date. Should we be concerned about the small minority who play games on two graphics cards?"

"Erm, since when did we give a crap about that? we're still only using two CPU cores, remember. Just get the game out and let them worry about it, and hopefully Nvidia will release a new driver".

SLI - driver dependent. Needs a profile for it to work at all. Nvidia = poop, so EVGA have taken over.

http://www.evga.com/articles/00463/

But, there is a caveat. That doesn't happen until after a game has come out, and until they get around to doing it. Until then you are on your own.

Crossfire? pah ! supposedly it scales no matter what, and it does. Sadly there are four (IIRC) ways for it to scale, so the profile needs to be correct, hence AMD releasing profile patches for it constantly.

Sadly they don't always work, and you have to figure it out by yourself. I was playing NFS : Shift, which was a six month old game, on my Crossfired 5770s. I got to the oval track and it felt really slow, so I turned on FRAPS. I was recording around 23 FPS, with drops to 4 FPS. Then I realised it wasn't working.

The fix? rename the exe to grid.exe, all solved.

But that didn't make up for the fact that I was half way through the game and up until that point it was a stuttering mess.

So again, in summation, it's better to have no problems at all that even the possibility of a problem.
 
They work fine with two GPUs by luck and luck only.

If the current drivers just so happen to make the cards scale in the right manner for the game you load, it will work. If not? it won't work.

And as I say, there are many times where you will think it is working, but it isn't. Even with the indicator turned on. Because all that means is the cards are scaling, but doesn't tell you if they are scaling correctly. And that means you need to run something like FRAPS all the time, and mess around checking up on what you should be getting.

Which all, IMO (if you like to actually sit down and play the games !) hinders the experience.
 
My fault? hardly. It turned out that the latest Nvidia drivers stopped my fans going over 75%, had broken shader support and messed up shadows, and put an incredibly bad load on my GPUs (that was obviously the game, though).

In summation when you are trying to sit down and enjoy a game, ONE problem is too many problems.

And I don't give a rat's who you are you are never ever going to have 100% smooth sailing trouble free gaming on SLI or Crossfire, even if your name is King golden bumcheeks.

The way your computer looks didn't make up for the fact that (I'm making an assumption here) you jumped on a new driver before knowing if it had problems. Had you not done so, this situation wouldn't occur. 99% of driver problems can be fixed by not instantly jumping to every new driver released just because its there.

You also forgot one major point in your main argument in the last paragraph, if doesn't matter who you are, what your name is or what computer/software you have, you will NEVER have 100% smooth sailing trouble free gaming on SLI, xfire, single AMD card, single Nvidia card, OR consoles.

Single cards have driver problems, games have problems themselves, and consoles trouble free is one of those deluded things people think, yet aside from remembering the RROD, and the PS3 version of that(yellow something of death iirc?), I've played PS3's, and 360's that have crashed, I've played both and had saves corrupted, I've seen plenty of people RMA consoles due to faulty drives not reading games anymore, consoles dying for other reasons.

To date I've used SLI and Xfire multiple times, and single cards in most generations also, I've experienced a few games in which sli/xfire weren't working perfectly on launch, disabling xfire means....... no more trouble than single cards. I've experienced more trouble with games having their own issues than SLI, xfire, single cards all put together. Fallout 3 itself, with NO hardware or driver issues has crashed more times than probably ALL the bad overclocks while testing, every other game crash and every driver fault all together, and that game had its own issues on consoles.

IIRC PS3 auto updated Skyrim and gave lots of problems for many people on the latest patch, that isn't the first or last time a game will have bad bugs either at launch or introduced by patches, or crash. Consoles are "relatively" trouble free, but 100% trouble free, not even close. Consoles, single gpu setups, multi gpu setups with a little bit of sensible thinking, like NOT jumping on every single new driver, will provide a trouble free experience 98% of the time, if you experience the 2%, will be luck. Sometimes one game will be great on consoles, and Nvidia cards, but suck on AMD cards, sometimes a game will only be good on AMD cards, have problems on consoles and crash constantly on Nvidia cards, that's life.

If you played Rage on launch and had an Nvidia card, chances are you had problems, played on an AMD card, chances are you had problems, SLI/xfire, chances are you had problems......

Games themselves are FAR more problematic than the hardware, ALWAYS has been, ALWAYS will be.

Sadly they don't always work, and you have to figure it out by yourself. I was playing NFS : Shift, which was a six month old game, on my Crossfired 5770s. I got to the oval track and it felt really slow, so I turned on FRAPS. I was recording around 23 FPS, with drops to 4 FPS. Then I realised it wasn't working.

The fix? rename the exe to grid.exe, all solved.

But that didn't make up for the fact that I was half way through the game and up until that point it was a stuttering mess.

Well, again I'd point out, knowing how to fix AMD xfire should be something anyone using xfire should know, and its not AMD's fault that YOU chose to play half the game before fixing it, would it be AMD's fault if there was a patch available from the game manufacturer from day one that doubled FPS and you decided to not install it till half way through your game?





Anyway, to the OP, I wouldn't bother right now, prices are going to be tumbling soon, though if you're Nvidia now and only want to stay with Nvidia its not going to make "that" much difference.

IE 580gtx resale value £300, new cards £400, in a month you might struggle to get £200 for the 580gtx, but the 560ti prices should crash to £150 a piece, so £300 total, you've still got a similar price difference.

Personally I wouldn't bother, an extra card for in many situations not much more performance but this will almost entirely depend on your screen setup, sorry if I missed it. 560ti's are a pretty decent wedge faster than a 580gtx, but if you're playing skyrim and are CPU limited it won't make a difference, if you play at 1080p max settings and already get 60fps in every game you want and have a 60hz screen, I wouldn't bother. for a much higher res screen or a 3 screen setup, the increase in GPU power will likely make more difference and a 580gtx will be less adequate in a lot more situations at top settings.

It's really up to you, personally I would say, xfire is awesome, new AMD cards are out in Jan, the prices of AMD/nvidia current gen are set to go down, AMD new gen might be epic and you could well be looking at a 7970 for £225-250 that could beat 560ti sli, using half the power and with less issues in terms of noise, heat, space.

A more significant upgrade would be 2x newer 560ti's or 2x570gtx's, and price wise that might be a much nicer prospect after the AMD cards launch, that or just hang on towards mid 2012 and get something new gen from Nvidia.
 
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I tried ten drivers. None of them took away from the fact that I had to manually force the GPUs to work. I could make videos for you and I could post a ton load of pics, but there's no point.

If you think SLI and or Crossfire is worth putting up with then that's your call to make. I can absolutely guarantee you that it won't work all the time, every time. If you disagree with me then you must live in some sort of alternate reality.

But yes, when it works? it's sometimes worth having (me I don't get a choice as I want to drive three monitors). For the most part it means tinkering and fiddling. Other times it means waiting for profiles and updated drivers, others it means the game will not even load up.

All of which are facts. If you can live with it? fair play to you. Me? I just about scrape by with quad SLI because if I want to play surround it's all I have to run it.

But I will give you an example of how multiple GPU scaling can appear to be incredible, yet really suck balls.

Here is a shot of Crossfired 5770s running Heaven.

heaven5770cf.jpg


Not a bad score. However, it was crude. Note the min FPS? now let's look at the min FPS of a GTX 470.

heavenOC.jpg


Quite a bit higher it seems. The reason? the legendary "Micro stutter". This will occur on any multiple GPU setup due to delays in the GPUs shifting the workload. So yeah, I was able to put out really good scores with a couple of GPUs in benchmarks, and I was able to achieve pretty high FPS counts (max) in games. Sadly it didn't make up for the stuttering, driver problems, broken games (Left 4 Dead 2 purple sky SLI bug) and so on.

And it's not just me who feels that way. Go to Google and type in "SLI micro stutter".

Look, I'm not here to bash you or belittle you for what you enjoy. Hell, we all like different things. If you don't mind putting up with the crap that they involve? (and they do involve crap, please don't pretend they are 100% perfect because if they were we'd all have it) then cool beans man. If you like to tinker, fold, put out huge numbers? good for you.

But the bottom line is they are not perfect, and some of us (who just want to sit back and game and have an easy life) don't want the problems of tinkering fiddling and or waiting.
 
ive got 580 sli 1.5gb atm and its an absolute killer, im waiting for prices to drop so i can get a third ^_^
 
Oh of course benchmarking heaven.

Once you go over two the headaches double.

Nvidia don't care to make 3/4 way SLI work, they just want you to buy it. It's rather lonely once you do, because you find out just how much they care about you spending all your money on their cards.

IE - they don't, at all.
 
oh is that so???

god damn haha, i just wanted to get a nicer boost of fps, but i guess there seems to be more research to be done!

i still recommend 2 x 580s for the op though :)
 
3 way 4 way and quad SLI are not officially supported by Nvidia.

It would fall back onto people like EVGA. It's aggro mate honestly. When it works? oh god yes, but it won't work first time.

As I say - Benchmark scores. Adding FPS to the hundreds you already have won't see much benefit visually, so it's quite mad tbh. Plus in all honesty you'll be bottlenecked at those kinds of FPS any way.

If you got the money to burn then go for it :)
 
I tried xfire (6990) recently coming from a GTX 295 which I never had a problem with (not that I noticed anyway) and though it was immense in games that were optimised for it like when I tried Crysis and the updated BF3 drivers but in the games with no support it was dire.

I don't think the Skyrim scaling was updated for at least a couple of weeks so I gave up. With the GTX 295 I was used to just playing any game I wanted with no visible problems for a couple of years. Having xfire for a couple of weeks drove me up the wall looking for new CAP profiles and the like.

Either way I returned the 6990 under DSR as I could not stand having a £570 card that does not work properly most of the time and got a GTX 580.
 
Ah. The "I need to justify my system to you because you don't share my opinion" post.

I've had SLI GTX 470. I own quad SLI GTX 295. I've had quadfired 3870x2 and CrossfireX 5770.

And through it all I would take a single powerful GPU over them any day.

Heat, noise, power consumption plug and pray. But that's just my opinion, so you don't need to explain yourself mate :)

And there you go justifying yours :p
 
I'm going to back ALXAndy up on this, He's given you all some good insight to the other side of SLI/Crossfire and even some results ! And by the sound of it not based on some little weekend fling with 2 cards.

Pretty Much all he said rings painfully true ;) and like Him I would never run Multiple cards again.

Far too infrequently people give good advice, more so when they comment on the kit the own, and even more so on the kit they just bought :D

Merry Christmas
 
A few year ago I had a GTX 295 and it just ate all the bandwidth with some old games and caused a few old tech games sound stutter, I was an EverQuest addict at the time and ended up downgrading to a Sapphire 4890 2GB.

Thanks for all the feedback people, I was so close to actually just buying a pair of GTX 560ti 2GB for SLI without even making this thread.

After reading through I have decided to keep hold of my GTX 580 and will purchase the equivalent Fermi card once they are released next year.
 
I'd personally stick with the 580, and just grab a second 580 in the near future when the enthusiasts want the newest toy :D
 
2x Xeon X5680 4.2 GHz|EVGA SR2|96 GB Dominator GT RAM|4x EVGA GTX 580 Hydrocopper quad SLI|2x OCZ Vertex 3 240GB RAID 0|3x73"Mitsubishi DLP TV 3DSurround

but can it run Crysis :p

sorry couldnt resist - would love to see some pics of that setup :eek:!!

OT: I'd stick with the single faster card to avoid driver and heat issues personally.
 
If you got the cash get another 580.

If not get the two 560's they will destroy your 580.

I have 2 560 Ti Twin Frozrs in SLI (1 GB) and they eat everything I throw at them at 1080p
 
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