'Big Man' tackles fare dodging teenager on train

Castiel · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:13

Ahleckz said:
What is a spy doing studying at Edinburgh?

Spieing.......

Biohazard · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:13

Ahleckz said:
What is a spy doing studying at Edinburgh?

Studying History in my spare time when interesting things pop up and trying to get as much exposure to Tom Devine as possible.

PermaBanned · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:13

Castiel said:
Spieing.......

And how do you pronounce that?

Biohazard · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:14

PermaBanned said:
And how do you pronounce that?

Oh god no.

Speeee-eye-ing? I guess (for him(maybe))..

LeJosh · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:15

Spee-ing.

True story.

Johnnytoxic · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:16

Dimple said:
All two of them.

oh ha ha, haaaa haaaaaaaaaaaa

Ahleckz · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:17

Biohazard said:
Studying History in my spare time when interesting things pop up and trying to get as much exposure to Tom Devine as possible.

Oh right, cool. He's a graduate of my university, don'tcha know.

Elixir · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:21

Ahleckz said:
Oh right, cool. He's a graduate of my university, don'tcha know.

Malc · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:23

.Lethal said:
I didn't realise that you think it's acceptable to intervene only in special circumstances of blatant wrong doing.

What? How about let's not put a blanket rule on things. The situation on the train was very much a vocal matter that could have been solved with nobody getting hurt and using the transport police. The man stepping in didn't actually help anything. Stepping in to stop a mugging would obviously help the victim.

The train incident wasn't violent. If anything the guy stepping in made it slightly violent. A mugging has already transcended the gap from vocal to physical and therefore stepping in and using appropriate force is likely to help calm the situation down. Obviously nothing is certain though but at least the intent of the helper would be right. You couldn't argue that morally someone stepping in to stop a mugging isn't doing the right thing. They also wouldn't be increasing the level of offense.

Also the guy on the train was actually just harming a company's profits. A mugger would be physically and emotionally harming an individual.

LeJosh · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:25

That's one spin on it.

Care to reply to my quote of yourself?

Malc · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:33

LeJosh said:
You're right, it was the "big man's" preventative measures that halted the escalation of the situation.

It could have easily turned in to a violent situation with the conductor - who was doing his job correctly - ending up hurt. But the already original offender was ousted off before such a situation could occur.

I missed this. I wouldn't be able to say if the situation was going to get violent or not. The fact is it wasn't violent at the time the guy stepped in. Whilst it was technically the conductor's right to stop the train and halt paying passengers as well as one problem passenger, there are other things that have already been discussed that he could have done to prosecute the non paying passenger.

What you've said is a possibility. That doesn't mean anything though. The kid could have also gone into hyperglycaemic shock. After all as well as being angry he's also diabetic.

Ahleckz · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:36

Malc said:
I missed this. I wouldn't be able to say if the situation was going to get violent or not. The fact is it wasn't violent at the time the guy stepped in. Whilst it was technically the conductor's right to stop the train and halt paying passengers as well as one problem passenger, there are other things that have already been discussed that he could have done to prosecute the non paying passenger.

What you've said is a possibility. That doesn't mean anything though. The kid could have also gone into hyperglycaemic shock. After all as well as being angry he's also diabetic.

What's the Lord Advocate doing driving the train?

Biohazard · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:36

Ahleckz said:
Oh right, cool. He's a graduate of my university, don'tcha know.

Yes I do, he worked there for a long time. His research and books are brilliant, his knowledge and analysis is inspiring. Certainly my favourite historian. He is probably Scotland's best qualified at that too.

Malc · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:38

Ahleckz said:
What's the Lord Advocate doing driving the train?

Alright pedant

he could have taken a different course of action to get the kid prosecuted correctly.

Vonhelmet · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:40

Malc said:
The man stepping in didn't actually help anything.

Of course it bloody did! It got the idiot off the train so they could get moving again.

Malc said:
The train incident wasnt going to get violent. If anything the guy stepping in made it slightly violent.

Not all crime is violent, ergo not all crimes that warrant intervention are violent.

Malc said:
Also the guy on the train was actually just harming a company's profits. A mugger would be physically and emotionally harming an individual.

Ah, right, so it's OK to steal from businesses. BRB, buying a sawn off shotgun on ebay.

Nevakonaza · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:41

Even though the teenager should have paid his way,The big guy had no right to grab and throw him around like he did in this vid,Surely thats assault?

Ahleckz · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:43

Biohazard said:
Can't see much good in the lad in that situation, and that is all we can go on.

I sympathise with your empathy, but up here sometimes people need a belt.

To go back to this, I know it was intended as a bit of a throwaway comment but I do wonder if Scottish people are less prepared to sit around and accept things in quite the way as our friends down South?
I think that Scottish folk might just be more prepared to get involved in something, rightly or wrongly, than others.

Malc · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:44

Vonhelmet said:
Ah, right, so it's OK to steal from businesses. BRB, buying a sawn off shotgun on ebay.

If you want to step in to stop an armed robbery be my guest. It's probably natural selection anyway.

Mark3h · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:45

Anyone who thinks the big guy did the wrong thing, are why this country is in such a sorry state when it comes to dealing with these kind of people.

Stop trying to defend those who make simple things a hassle for everyone else.

Vonhelmet · 13 Dec 2011 at 23:47

Malc said:
If you want to step in to stop an armed robbery be my guest. It's probably natural selection anyway.

You miss my point. You basically said that the crime of "depriving a company of their profits" (which is generally known as "theft") is not one that is worth stopping.

So I'm going to buy a gun and commit some robberies. After all, I'm only depriving businesses of their profits, and that's A-OK.