Poll: Where do you fit in? (IFS income percentile) (*net incomes only - do it correctly!*)

New poll - My net earnings are :

  • Among the top 1% of earners

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • > 95% of the population

    Votes: 9 23.1%
  • > 90% of the population

    Votes: 6 15.4%
  • > 80% of the population

    Votes: 4 10.3%
  • > 70% of the population

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • > 60% of the population

    Votes: 5 12.8%
  • > 50% of the population

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • > 40% of the population

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • > 30% of the population

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • > 20% of the population

    Votes: 1 2.6%
  • > 10% of the population

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • > 1% of the population

    Votes: 2 5.1%
  • Among the lowest 1% of earners

    Votes: 1 2.6%

  • Total voters
    39
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you have a higher income than around 99% of the population - equivalent to about 60.1 million individuals.

the hell? im only a welding engineer.. :confused:

edit; single, no kids ect ect
 
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you have a higher income than around 99% of the population - equivalent to about 60.1 million individuals.

the hell? im only a welding engineer.. :confused:

edit; single, no kids ect ect

What did you expect for ~£60k net if you're single?

Why does it ask for council tax amount? That's a bizarre thing to solely deduct, and leave out things like mortgage/rent/bills/etc.

It's upto you how much you want to pay in bills and rent. How is it fair to compare after deductions someone who pays £25k in rent and someone who pays £10k in rent. Rent and bills aren't taxes.
 
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Not even remotely. Believe it or not, some people are put off buying properties based on council tax band/rate.

The same way people are put off working more due to top rates of income tax...

Either way, every household has to pay council tax in some way. The service if in the same council should be equivalent. Therefore it is a valid deduction.
 
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Im a student, therefore, i take all your hard earned cash and spent it on booze, escorts, condoms and takeaways. Its at this point i'd like to thank you all and show my appreciation for it all! I doubt i'll ever pay a penny of it back so the least I could do is be grateful! :)

I am a student and yet I earn more than 66% of the population...

...don't pay any tax though ;)
 
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The same way people are put off working more due to top rates of income tax...
Troll harder :>

Not even slightly. The employee is always going to be earning higher net income from payrises. You do not earn a lower net-income by having a bigger gross-income. You can buy the same size house in a different county and have cheaper council tax though :<.
 
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I am a student and yet I earn more than 66% of the population...

...don't pay any tax though ;)

66% of the single population. (edit: i'm partially wrong, see post #77 for correction)

Troll harder :>

Not even slightly. The employee is always going to be earning higher net income from payrises. You do not earn a lower net-income by having a bigger gross-income. You can buy the same size house in a different county and have cheaper council tax though :<.

Optimisation decisions don't require a loss in income.

Also I doubt council tax differentials are much of a motivator for location relative to other larger considerations such as rent/mortgage payments. It is one of the rationales for having council tax based on property value. It's like a poll tax of sorts.
 
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or 38% if I add a pretend second adult that I am supporting...

My point was, if you think about it, single people are likely to have lower independent incomes to begin with. Married people are older and the decision to have kids is still a financial decision. Even separately it is possible the incomes of individuals in married households is likely to be higher.

So it isn't entirely inaccurate to say income is higher than 66% of the population. It is 66% of single households.

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http://www.ifs.org.uk/wheredoyoufitin/

That seems to suggest they have already created a mapping system which doesn't require separate distributions. So you might be able to say you are better off than 66% of households (still can't say population though).

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What is "equivalised income"?

The income that a household needs to attain a given standard of living will depend on its size and composition. For example, a couple with dependent children will need a higher income than a single person with no children to attain the same material living standards. "Equivalisation" means adjusting a household's income for size and composition so that we can look at the incomes of all households on a comparable basis. Official income statistics use the 'Modified OECD' equivalence scale, in which an adult couple with no dependent children is taken as the benchmark with an equivalence scale of one. The equivalence scales for other types of households can be calculated by adding together the implied contributions of each household member from the table below.

Modified OECD Equivalence Scale

Head 0.67
Subsequent adults 0.33
Each child aged 0-13 0.20
Each child aged 14-18 0.33


For example, a household consisting of a single adult will have an equivalence scale of 0.67 - in other words he or she can typically attain the same standard of living as a childless couple on only 67 percent of its income. In a household consisting of a couple with one child aged three, the head of the household would contribute 0.67, the spouse 0.33, and the child 0.20, giving a total equivalence scale of 1.20. In other words this household would need an income 20 percent higher than a childless couple to attain the same standard of living. To gauge where you are in the income distribution, we ascertain the equivalence scale of your household and then calculate where you would lie if the rest of the population lived in households of the same type.


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Im a student, therefore, i take all your hard earned cash and spent it on booze, escorts, condoms and takeaways. Its at this point i'd like to thank you all and show my appreciation for it all! I doubt i'll ever pay a penny of it back so the least I could do is be grateful! :)

You're buying escorts whilst you're a student? WTF? Dude, just go out on a night out. :/

Not that I'm that sort of guy, but c'mon. :/
 
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