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Yes I am and in utter shock how an injector can cost £500 each
VW recall - Injectors on PD140 and PD170s
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Yes I am and in utter shock how an injector can cost £500 each
Sorry, thats rubbish.
Its NOT a recall, a recall is when its on the news, when VOSA force the manufacturers to recall every vehicle and track down owners to replace parts with a matter of urgency. This problem has been apparent for nearly 5/6 years and its a goodwill gesture, nothing more and only if you ask from VW.
SEAT might well be sending out letter but they will go to all owners, not just 170 owners as the fault is more common and proliffic in 140's than 170's, also them sending letters isnt a recall, its just good customer service!
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The BMW diesel in my 75 is known for duff injectors, and they're stupid money too, about £200 each.
Got 4 from a scrapyard for 15 quid last month, no idea if they're duff or not though.
It makes you wonder - when the PD170 cars with such failures reach sub-£1k value, who is going to want to own them?!
Got 4 from a scrapyard for 15 quid last month, no idea if they're duff or not though.
It makes you wonder - when the PD170 cars with such failures reach sub-£1k value, who is going to want to own them?!
Would you care to cite your sources if the majority of the internet is so off the mark? PD140 owners must be considerably less vocal than PD170 owners if your info is correct!
I dont have time to bother, its very simple - you are using 1 thread from a skoda forum - have a look at any of the VW forums worldwide, or audi forums, or SEAT forums, the 140 is far more common engine and suffers far greater failure rate. The 170's are in fact mostly common rail, not many PD170's were made by comparison.
The majorite of the internet isnt off the mark, the MAJORITY are driving 140's with failing/failed injectors, not 170's.
If you really dont believe me ring VW!
The majorite of the internet isnt off the mark, the MAJORITY are driving 140's with failing/failed injectors, not 170's.
If you really dont believe me ring VW!
Yes, I cited one thread, but it's pretty comprehensive and mentions the equivalent threads in Audi and VW forums (probably SEAT too). Googling various combinations of 'PD', 'diesel', 'injector', 'problem', etc returns far more hits relating to PD170 engines, so I seriously doubt it has both a 'far greater failure rate' and 'the fault is more common and proliffic [sic] in 140's than 170's'.
edit: here's a quote from someone in the Briskoda thread who isn't using blanket terms and is getting down to details:
"It can affect some of the PD140s, but as far as I know the Audi A3 2.0 PD140 (and Golf and Leon 140) uses the same BKD engine as the Octavia which has Bosch solenoid injectors and doesn't suffer from this problem. "
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I'm with Mud on this. I've not heard of a single case of PD140 injector failure and there are multitudes more cars around with that engine than the PD170.
Given that the PD140 is a development of the very reliable old 1.9 and doesn't use the piezo injectors it seems unlikely.
Given that the PD140 is a development of the very reliable old 1.9 and doesn't use the piezo injectors it seems unlikely.
It certainly appears to be an official recall. There are people on the ukmkiv forum reporting they've received their recall letters in VOSA envelopes. VOSA got involved a little while ago and have been actively trawling forums for people with injector issues to gauge the severity of the problem.
I've heard of a few cases of PD140 injectors dying, but they seem to be isolated (amongst Octavia owners anyway), and possibly caused by not using VW's fancy oil. The 1.9l version also occasionally loses injectors, but again the rate seems low.
I'm not plugged into the scene more deeply than a few forums, so if I'm wrong I want to know so I can sort my PD140...but if there's nothing behind the scaremongering then I'll gladly go on with my life. To the best of my knowledge my 56 plate with ~58k miles is on its original injectors.
Exactly why these highly tuned diesels area a ticking time bomb on the second hand market.
I'd always go for a small engine petrol if I wanted economic motoring. Old diesels were great but these days I'd steer clear without a warranty.
Like the price difference between a performance petrol pump and a boggo diesel pump.
I'd not blink at changing a petrol pump, a diesel though I'd scrap the car.
As far as I know it's the 170 where the issue lies this time around, I thought the 130/140 basically had a "normal" failure rate so to speak in comparison. Doesn't help that the PD170 also comes with the often unhappy first generation DPF either.
Seat forum is saying the fault is in the 170 only too, 06-58 plate cars are mentioned which is pretty much every PD170 on the leon Mk2. Some interesting things to note - the AA have apparently been briefed that the fault will not always show with their diagnostics (but it shows in VAGCOM), some bloke received what looks like a refund for his injectors going twice, letters will be sent to all registered owners of PD170s telling them to come in for a check but it's a bit unclear if any engine will get away without the work. A couple of people have noted that for seats SEAT ES is paying for the work not SEAT UK so I guess this gives a picture of the damage.
The priority order is apparently people who have had injectors fail in the past and then everyone else. Jesus some people are having cut outs of 4-5 times a week, sounds a bit scary.
Seat forum is saying the fault is in the 170 only too, 06-58 plate cars are mentioned which is pretty much every PD170 on the leon Mk2. Some interesting things to note - the AA have apparently been briefed that the fault will not always show with their diagnostics (but it shows in VAGCOM), some bloke received what looks like a refund for his injectors going twice, letters will be sent to all registered owners of PD170s telling them to come in for a check but it's a bit unclear if any engine will get away without the work. A couple of people have noted that for seats SEAT ES is paying for the work not SEAT UK so I guess this gives a picture of the damage.
The priority order is apparently people who have had injectors fail in the past and then everyone else. Jesus some people are having cut outs of 4-5 times a week, sounds a bit scary.
I know all about the VOSA involvement as I was part of it, and have had my 140PD injectors replaced FOC by VW because they are faulty!
To the person who said the 140 doesnt use Peizo injectors...yes it does, almost identical to the 170 injectors which is why the problem is common across both engines.
To those who say it doesnt affect 140's
http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35154
http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=42500&p=322032&hilit=injector#p322032
http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35389&p=321127&hilit=injector#p321127
http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=42341&p=320848&hilit=injector#p320848
Hundreds of PD140 owners there with faulty injectors and that took 10 seconds on 1 forum. There are douzens more forums like it full of 140 owners!
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It is not an official recall and neither does it appear to be one.
You can check for yourself on the VOSA site where there are no recalls in place for, say, Golf.
To those who say it doesnt affect 140's
http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35154
http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=42500&p=322032&hilit=injector#p322032
http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35389&p=321127&hilit=injector#p321127
http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=42341&p=320848&hilit=injector#p320848
Hundreds of PD140 owners there with faulty injectors and that took 10 seconds on 1 forum. There are douzens more forums like it full of 140 owners!
Looks like a passat problem (going by the OPs, not going to register for that site), different injectors? I'm guessing you drive a passat.
edit: here's a pasting from an ebay auction (lacking a better source thus far!):
"Brand New Siemens Unit Diesel Injector 03G130073D VW Passat 2.0 TDI 140 BHP
[...]
Siemens Equivalent Part Numbers:-
03G130073D
03G130073SX
03G130073S
03G130073SX
Below are some applications that the Siemens 03G130073D Injectors Fits:-
VW Passat 2.0 TDI 140 BHP MK5 2004 > 2009 Engine Code BKP"
So if it's the same/similar to the Siemens unit in the PD170 it's not surprising that it's also failing in 140 guise. I haven't seen anything to make me doubt the Bosch units thus far, but feel free to show me otherwise.
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I've had mine done on the passat this week. It went in for a service and they said a recall came out last week so they will see if mine needed doing, it did.
I'll go check on the receipt to see how much it actually costs for them to be replaced.
I'll go check on the receipt to see how much it actually costs for them to be replaced.
As Fox has confirmed, and I said yesterday its NOT an official recall, its merely a goodwill gesture from VW/Skoda/SEAT etc, some taking it more seriously than others!
VOSA played a part in forcing their hand to make them do something about it, but its not a recall as these only really happen on things like fuel leaks, or brake faults.
VOSA played a part in forcing their hand to make them do something about it, but its not a recall as these only really happen on things like fuel leaks, or brake faults.