Is evolution a religion?

Castiel said:
I don't know why you are giving up, the simple fact is that Catholic Schools, regardless of whether they are independent or not, do not teach creationism...as the Catholic Church doesn't teach Creationism either and it is contrary to the Catechism of the Catholic Church....

As for my son, as I said, the school doesn't select it's entire intake by religion....it give priority to Catholics for about half the intake....besides it was the School my wife attended and as she was probably the best student they have had, it was almost certain they would have taken our son on the strength of that alone.

There is also two CofE aided schools on the same site, one Boys and one Girls which are substanially bigger and thus they take the majority of children in the catchment, the girls school is a very good school, the boys school is improving, but not as good as the other two.
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But why would you send your kids to a Catholic school? Other than wanting them indoctrinated about Catholicism what other reason is there for sending them to a faith school?

This is entirely a case parents forcing their religious values and beliefs onto their kids, in your case the values of your wife.
 
RomanNose said:
Not really a problem, just inconsistency which is annoying. It's just odd as I always thought that mufday days are supposed to be the only days of the year where kids can wear whatever they want. Anyway, there are many Islamic and Christian independent schools that are terrible and indoctrinate their students. At the moment there is not much stopping students being taught Creationism at some Independent schools, in these cases it would probably be better for the kids to not even go to school as they are being taught complete lies.
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I agree that closing or censuring schools that teach creationism, be they independent or not is something that should be considered...however I do not agree that faith schools should be banned, that is a step too far and one that not even the vehemently secular French state have done...in fact they fund faith schools even more so now than when they were part of the state system.

All schools should teach be required to teach a curriculum that is objective, fact based and doesn't seek to supplant Science with Faith....each should be taught separately and Creationism has no part in either......
 
bhavv said:
But why would you send your kids to a Catholic school? Other than wanting them indoctrinated about Catholicism what other reason is there for sending them to a faith school?

This is entirely a case parents forcing their religious values and beliefs onto their kids, in your case the values of your wife.
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Hahaha, Bhavv you don't know what you are on about....my wife isn't a practicing Catholic..I know more about Catholism than she does....

He goes to that school because it is educationally better than the alternatives available to him...he has no belief in God and thinks RE is boring.

He isn't baptised in any religion, we didn't even have a religious wedding, neither do we attend church except in our volunteering capacity.
 
I'll take it that you didnt even study an A Level in Biology if you think it covers a significant chunk of Evolution.

Taxonomy, Natural Selection, Peppered Moths, Peas and Finches is all that is covered in A level Biology, and yes I am very sure that this makes up around 20-25% only of all of Evolution.
 
Castiel said:
Hahaha, Bhavv you don't know what you are on about....my wife isn't a practicing Catholic..I know more about Catholism than she does....

He goes to that school because it is educationally better than the alternatives available to him...he has no belief in God and thinks RE is boring.

He isn't baptised in any religion, we didn't even have a religious wedding, neither do we attend church except in our volunteering capacity.
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So you still havnt answered my original question.

What makes your sons catholic school any different from a comprehensive schools, other than being 'educationally better'? (which I strongly doubt it is).

If there is no other difference as you like to pretend, then what is the purpose of faith based schools?

And what exactly makes you so certain that this school is 'educationally better' than a comprehensive school? What makes it any better?
 
Mr^B said:
"Biologists agree that this example shows natural selection causing evolution within a species, demonstrating rapid and obvious adaptiveness with such change, and accept that it is not proof of the theory of evolution as a whole."

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The peppered moth is not evidence, or proof for evolution, it is only proof of natural selection and is only taught as such.

Any science teacher that teaches that peppered moths are proof of Evolution deserves a good sacking for being a moron.
 
Castiel said:
I don't know why you are giving up
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Only because I'm struggling to express what I'm trying to say. My own fault, not yours. In Dawkins programme "Faith School Menace" he goes to an Islamic school where the teacher encourages their students not to believe in evolution and they teach what their holy book says. This is the kind of school that I'm referring to.

Sorry I didn't read your earlier post about your son a better. I'm guessing you chose it on quality of education?
 
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bhavv said:
The peppered moth is not evidence, or proof for evolution, it is only proof of natural selection and is only taught as such.

Any science teacher that teaches that peppered moths are proof of Evolution deserves a good sacking for being a moron.
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That's interesting. Nothing to do with the quote I posted. But interesting nonetheless.
 
bhavv said:
I'll take it that you didnt even study an A Level in Biology if you think it covers a significant chunk of Evolution.
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... :o

My point was that no decent biology degree would skimp out by providing something so minimal as a module on evolution. You can't even modulise it really as it forms the springboard for virtually every subtropical within the biological sciences.

Subtopic, rather :D
 
Nitefly said:
... :o
My point was that no decent biology degree would skimp out by providing something so minimal as a module on evolution. You can't even modulise it really as it forms the springboard for virtually every subtropical within the biological sciences.
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Its not skimping out.

Compulsory modules - Genetics, Immunology / Microbiology, Neuroscience, Lab module, plus two optional modules chosen from a wide range of options within human, enviromental, health, or earth sciences.

If a student wants to study Evolution specifically, than this gives them the option to tailor their course of study towards that.

One girl on my course who was a straight A student and got a first pass did all the compulsory modules plus Evolution and an Earth Science elective that taught the geological side of Evolution, as this is what she wanted to learn.

Evolution is not a minimal area of study, to think that simply shows that you havnt studied, nor appreciate evolution as an area of science.
 
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Also, these faith schools like the Islamic one teach beliefs which are contrary to the scientific consensus based on the fact that the Qur'an says otherwise and that both the qur'an and evolution were made by the same creator...apparently.
 
bhavv said:
So you still havnt answered my original question.

What makes your sons catholic school any different from a comprehensive schools, other than being 'educationally better'? (which I strongly doubt it is).

If there is no other difference as you like to pretend, then what is the purpose of faith based schools?

And what exactly makes you so certain that this school is 'educationally better' than a comprehensive school? What makes it any better?
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It is a comprehensive school bhavv......it is about time you educated yourself on a subject before judging others.

The school posts better results year on year than the alternatives, it has a far better program for dyslexia than the other schools and the additional funding it recieves from the Catholic Diocese allows for better provision of education and field study which the other schools simply do not provide.

That it is Catholic is incidental aside from the additional funding that the Diocese provides.

Your opinion on my sons school is uttly irrelevent and based entirely on your bias and not on any objective knowledge of the school or even the school system itself.
 
So youre telling me that a school can be both a faith and a comprehensive school?

What exactly makes it 'catholic' then if it is no different?

Castiel said:
it has a far better program for dyslexia than the other schools
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I strongly doubt that, for one of my friends was dyslexic at my 'non faith based' comprehensive school and could barely read and write, but he got all the help he needed including being able to sit his exams in isolation with a person to read the questions to him, and being allowed to write all his answers in 'reversed English', as he could fluently write everything backwards, but not forwards. He was also allowed a timer to fully exclude the time spent reading out the questions.

He mostly got straight As, and an Engineering degree. He was simply intelligent, and his dyslexia was never a barrier for him.
 
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