Train eviction video: 'Big Man' is not prosecuted

Nerusy said:
When the teen tried to get back on the train "big man" slammed him on the ground pretty hard by the looks of it.

Put yourself in teen's shoes. You are being told to get off, as far as you know it's damn unfair, then some guy comes along and chucks you out violently.

The "big man" should get done for assault.

The teen should get done for verbal abuse of the staff.
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The thing is, that if I or the conductor had done a similar thing, it would have been completely legal, so the kids POV is rather immaterial.
 
If the kid hadn't been evasive or abusive and had explained the situation to the conductor instead of tripping him and swearing at him then there would have been no incident to begin with.

Remember that being charged is not the same as being convicted, and if the tripping incident is true then the Kid should be charged with assault as well...in fact swearing at someone in a threating manner can be construed as assault, so that should be the minimum that he is also charged with.

In any case under Scottish Law the Big Man did commit an Assault, it is up to a magistrate (or jury) to decide whether it was justified or not I would assume.
 
ubersonic said:
The guy should be getting a good citizens award :(

This crap is why nobody stands up for what's right any-more, the law sides with the criminals...

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At least include the video. :p
 
Good, I have to say I don't really mind if he gets off completely free but he had to be charged at least.

You can't just grab someone and throw them off a train, injuring them in the process, especially seeing as the person was not being violent. A physical response should only be used in the most extreme circumstances, this was not an extreme circumstance.
 
Fenris said:
Good, I have to say I don't really mind if he gets off completely free but he had to be charged at least.

You can't just grab someone and throw them off a train, injuring them in the process, especially seeing as the person was not being violent.
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You think that tripping someone and/or using aggressive and abusive language is not violent??
 
I'm neither surprised, nor upset, by this. You can't have people deciding to take things into their own hands and violently evict people from a train.

Hopefully, common sense will prevail and he'll be let off with a caution or similar.
 
Castiel said:
You think that tripping someone and/or using aggressive and abusive language is not violent??
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No I don't, I think physical violence is physical violence. Abusive/aggressive language does not justify a physical response.

The fare dodger was sitting down and the "big man" grabbed him and threw him off the train, yes the kid was using abusive language but any violence was instigated by the actions of the man.

I think I should clarify this quickly, I don't expect this guy to be convicted, what is important is that what he did is shown to be wrong and simply being charged is enough to do that. Not that I think the kid was in the right either, he was being a complete yob and deserved to be punished, however that should have been dealt with by someone with the authority to do it and it should not have involved violence.

Now I've said all I'm going to on the subject, I will wait and see what happens.
 
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Fenris said:
You can't just grab someone and throw them off a train, injuring them in the process,
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Well you can, but you'll be charged with assault. It's a pity the lad hadn't been a rugby prop forward, big man would have looked the other way no doubt and saved himself a criminal record.
 
good, there is no place in society for vigilantism, he had no right to assault the kid no matter what the circumstances, the guard should have just had BTP waiting for him at the next station, no need for the big moron to get invalid
 
Fenris said:
No I don't, I think physical violence is physical violence. Abusive/aggressive language does not justify a physical response.

The fare dodger was sitting down and the "big man" grabbed him and threw him off the train, yes the kid was using abusive language but any violence was instigated by the actions of the man.

I think I should clarify this quickly, I don't expect this guy to be convicted, what is important is that what he did is shown to be wrong and simply being charged is enough to do that. Not that I think the kid was in the right either, he was being a complete yob and deserved to be punished, however that should have been dealt with by someone with the authority to do it and it should not have involved violence.

Now I've said all I'm going to on the subject, I will wait and see what happens.
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Non physical violence includes intimidation, abuse, aggressive or threatening behaviour and so on.

The kid allegedly tripped the Conductor prior to the video being shot, which is physical violence, certainly assault even if it was reckless rather than intimidatory.....
 
I was originally completely in favour of the "big man", but I'm not as sure now that I've read up on it. To be sure the kid was no angel, especially if its true he tried to trip the conducter. But I've seen that photo of the kids face and that injury looked quite painful. Apparantly the guy threw him face first to the ground and refused to let the kid retrieve his belongings from the train, which included medication.

And now it turns out the kid actually was telling the truth about buying the ticket and being issued the wrong one. The conducter had no way of knowing that of course and was still right to demand to kid pay again, but the big guy should have stayed out of it.
 
So, what about the part where the investigation shows the lad did buy 2 tickets and was mis-sold two singles for the same journey....

Wasn't that the basis of the argument between Robbo, Biohazard et al against (cant remember his name) in the now closed thread, where the herd were accusing him of fantasist stories...

I think an apology may be in order?

Though I expect it will be a cold day in hell before Robbo admits he is wrong.
 
There is no chance the kid tried to trip him up, that is in my opinion complete fabrication. No "bad kid" alone, unless mentally deranged, would do as is in the allegation. Its only the pack mentality that gives them the Bravado.

Force was way out of proportion, ABH was committed, regardless if you think its right or not. Big man will get some Community service and the conductor should be given a golden handshake.

The kid has a potty mouth but after 15 mins of being verbally assaulted and heckled by a carriage full of people i might get narky too and i don't say boo to a goose. Id take a penalty fair and rip it in half when i got home.

He's a freaking UNIVERSITY student not a community collage chav.

Mob justice, mob mentality.
 
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Freakbro said:
So, what about the part where the investigation shows the lad did buy 2 tickets and was mis-sold two singles for the same journey....

Wasn't that the basis of the argument between Robbo, Biohazard et al against (cant remember his name) in the now closed thread, where the herd were accusing him of fantasist stories...
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Not at all, as said in that thread, it makes sod all difference if he had purchased in good faith. There are compliant procedures.

You have to have a valid ticket end off. No ifs are buts.

However I am willing to say that it now looks like he did throw the kid to the floor, which wasn't needed at all.
 
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