Train eviction video: 'Big Man' is not prosecuted

Aw naw, not tha fat, ah mean big yin!


Well I hope you like it Scots, decades of supporting Labour means that you're now all in the same boat as us English - in a politically correct hell hole where a vile little scrote cannot be reasonably dealt with without a massive waste of resources being spent punishing them for their terrible 'crimes' of actually having a pair and not standing for any nonsense.

It's a sad day.


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Freakbro said:
So, what about the part where the investigation shows the lad did buy 2 tickets and was mis-sold two singles for the same journey....
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Which is fine in hindsight, but the conducter on that train had no way of knowing that, especially as the kid didnt even tell him. He just became abusive and started swearing. The kid himself admitted later he didnt act appropriately for the situation.

In the last thread, we werent calling him a liar outright. All we said was even if its true, without being able to prove it he would still need to buy a new ticket to replace the one he didnt have. He could have always seen about claiming the money back later for the missold ticket.
 
Freakbro said:
So, what about the part where the investigation shows the lad did buy 2 tickets and was mis-sold two singles for the same journey....

Wasn't that the basis of the argument between Robbo, Biohazard et al against (cant remember his name) in the now closed thread, where the herd were accusing him of fantasist stories...

I think an apology may be in order?

Though I expect it will be a cold day in hell before Robbo admits he is wrong.
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The problem is that for whatever convoluted reason the Kid thought it best to keep the information to himself until after the altercation...instead he thought it a better course of action to abuse the conductor instead.

If he had politely explained the error, he woukd have been offered several alternatives, including purchasing a valid ticket (he would have been able to recover the cost later) or given suitable ID and proof of address so that a ticket could be issued and payment given at a later date (or waived if the error was genuine)....however his actions precluded these things happening.
 
Castiel said:
The problem is that for whatever convoluted reason the Kid thought it best to keep the information to himself until after the altercation...instead he thought it a better course of action to abuse the conductor instead.

If he had politely explained the error, he woukd have been offered several alternatives, including purchasing a valid ticket (he would have been able to recover the cost later) or given suitable ID and proof of address so that a ticket could be issued and payment given at a later date (or waived if the error was genuine)....however his actions precluded these things happening.
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I'd guess he did not realize why or what is happening, he did scream "I paid!", implying that as far as he knows he has done nothing wrong.
 
Castiel said:
The problem is that for whatever convoluted reason the Kid thought it best to keep the information to himself until after the altercation...instead he thought it a better course of action to abuse the conductor instead.

If he had politely explained the error, he woukd have been offered several alternatives, including purchasing a valid ticket (he would have been able to recover the cost later) or given suitable ID and proof of address so that a ticket could be issued and payment given at a later date (or waived if the error was genuine)....however his actions precluded these things happening.
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i thought this video "evidence" was the last few moments of the event that had already been running 15 mins, where all of these options had been given to him.

He didnt think he was in the wrong and reacted OTT. That didn't warrant a beating.
 
Freakbro said:
So, what about the part where the investigation shows the lad did buy 2 tickets and was mis-sold two singles for the same journey....

Wasn't that the basis of the argument between Robbo, Biohazard et al against (cant remember his name) in the now closed thread, where the herd were accusing him of fantasist stories...

I think an apology may be in order?

Though I expect it will be a cold day in hell before Robbo admits he is wrong.
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His fantasist stories were about him inventing ticket barriers that don't exist. That point still stands. :)

Nothing has transpired that I didn't expect to happen. I said several times that ideally, we don't want people resorting to violence over trivial matters, but that doesn't mean the lad gets any sympathy from me. He was being a tool.
 
Nerusy said:
I'd guess he did not realize why or what is happening, he did scream "I paid!", implying that as far as he knows he has done nothing wrong.
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A lot is being made about his status as a University Student, so I would assume that the concept of having the wrong ticket should be eminently understandable to him...as would the appropiate behaviour in those circumstances.

Don't you agree?
 
Castiel said:
The problem is that for whatever convoluted reason the Kid thought it best to keep the information to himself until after the altercation...instead he thought it a better course of action to abuse the conductor instead.

If he had politely explained the error, he woukd have been offered several alternatives, including purchasing a valid ticket (he would have been able to recover the cost later) or given suitable ID and proof of address so that a ticket could be issued and payment given at a later date (or waived if the error was genuine)....however his actions precluded these things happening.
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I am not defending the lads actions, or even actually commenting on the incident. I am talking about the thread on here where the other guy (insert name here) was rationally explaining that we don't know all the facts to be able to jump to conclusions and maybe the lad had bought 2 tickets and one of them was wrong. To which the popular herd around here truly rounded on him calling him all manner of things, which was out of order imo.

Craig1981 said:
In the last thread, we werent calling him a liar outright.
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I would like to be able to look over the last thread then, because I believe he was called this expressly, as well as other things.
 
Castiel said:
A lot is being made about his status as a University Student, so I would assume that the concept of having the wrong ticket should be eminently understandable to him...as would the appropiate behaviour in those circumstances.

Don't you agree?
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Still, it doesn't excuse him being manhandled without warning off the train by a random man.
 
Looks like i might stop bothering paying £279 return to london then, im going to sit on the train and simply act like a tool, whats the worst that can happen, someone throws me off and i'll take them to court.
 
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Robbo said:
His fantasist stories were about him inventing ticket barriers that don't exist. That point still stands. :)
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No it really doesn't and you are just foolish to use it as an excuse. It was a ridiculously minor point that he made a mistake with, admitted immediately it was a mistake (wow, we do all make them) and corrected it.

You were calling him a fantasist and liar because he dared to think of a different version of events that may of happened, ie: the 2 single tickets for the same journey.
 
Freakbro said:
I would like to be able to look over the last thread then, because I believe he was called this expressly, as well as other things.
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He was arguing a fair point from a legal perspective, much like a defence lawyer would.

People took issue with the fact he was (at at least one point) fabricating stories to suit his agenda - though he did apologise (apparently), but I can't check that as he rage deleted all his posts.

Freakbro said:
No it really doesn't and you are just foolish to use it as an excuse. It was a ridiculously minor point that he made a mistake with, admitted immediately it was a mistake (wow, we do all make them) and corrected it.

You were calling him a fantasist and liar because he dared to think of a different version of events that may of happened, ie: the 2 single tickets for the same journey.
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That wasn't why I called him it. I said that it was unlikely (but possible, obviously it couldn't be ruled out).
 
Castiel said:
A lot is being made about his status as a University Student, so I would assume that the concept of having the wrong ticket should be eminently understandable to him...as would the appropiate behaviour in those circumstances.

Don't you agree?
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I would again guess that since the protests, the public (including me) still hates the university students ;) hence it was used to spice up the news when it was a popular opinion to support the "big man".

Just because he is a student (which is actually a negative quality if anything hehe) doesn't mean he won't get mad for what was in his mind injustice since as far as he was concerned he paid for the ticket yet he was still being asked to leave the train even though he did nothing wrong himself.

Big bureaucratic mess this is :D
 
Efour2 said:
i thought this video "evidence" was the last few moments of the event that had already been running 15 mins, where all of these options had been given to him.

He didnt think he was in the wrong and reacted OTT. That didn't warrant a beating.
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The train CCTV allegedly shows the Kid tripping and forcing the Conductor to step over his legs on his way up the train carriage earlier as well as being initially abusive prior to the youtube video....this is what the Scotrail Conductor has allegedly reported to his employer and that it was intentional.
 
Castiel said:
The train CCTV allegedly shows the Kid tripping and forcing the Conductor to step over his legs on his way up the train carriage earlier as well as being initially abusive prior to the youtube video....this is what the Scotrail Conductor has allegedly reported to his employer and that it was intentional.
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If this is the case kid should get done for assault as well as the big man, community service for everybody! :p
 
Bad law is no law at all. It is because of bad, toothless law that the vigilantism needs to be exercised at all. The moment you conveniently find a law to charge Batman with assaulting Joker by kicking him out of the building, but nothing to charge Joker with after he's being abusive, threatening, aggressive and disruptive towards everyone around and press plus internet posters sympathetically focuse on his hard childhood, social status and medical disabilities, you know our society is going in completely wrong direction.

The Big Man situation is bad not because one guy chucked some abusive yob without a valid ticket out of the train and risked his insuline supplies by sending them flying after yob himself. It is bad because by prosecuting Big Man we send wrong message - it's ok to abuse old man and hold entire train hostage when you factually, for whatever reason, have no valid ticket for your train journey, but it's not ok to defend the old man and save everyone from further delay by ejecting the yob - by only possible at the time method - force. The kid had no ticket (don't care why, that's for him to challenge the fine and explain it all at a later stage), acted wrong and behaved in such a way that delayed everyones journey.

Prosecution of the Big Man will make further vigilantes think twice, and the world will be poorer for it. Next time something happens, everyone will conveniently sit quiet and film the ticketless shmuck abusing old man, for you tube. We would rather be a society of well entertained rubberneckers than have people acting in right cause around us. I say - French connection UK that, it's cows excrement.
 
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