Why are people so inconsiderate?

[Fuzz]

I'm of the same opinion as the OP here.

If you want to kill yourself, that's absolutely fine, no problem.
Go in to the woods, sling a rope over a branch, stick it round your neck, lean back against the trunk and say goodbye.
Or find a night time ferry somewhere and just jump off.

If it's actually a cry for help... go and get the sodding help, not let people witness your demise on the M62.

 

[Tefal]

Go in to the woods, sling a rope over a branch, stick it round your neck, lean back against the trunk and say goodbye.
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So some children can find your diseased and decaying body while out playing?

 

[Linkex]

If someone sets your crotch on fire, do you worry that it may be seen as inconsiderate to throw someone else's pint on it to put it out?

Look, if I take that to the other end of the scale, I could ask you - If you feel like shooting someone in the face with your gun, do you worry that it may be seen as inconsiderate to shoot someone else in the face? - Are you seriously trying to tell me that there is no scale in all of this?

Of course I don't consider it inconsiderate to take the pint. It’s a minor thing to fix an emergency situation, and a thing I can fix at that (Sorry about that mate, let me buy you another), its hardly the same as an action that will leave deep and dramatic phycological scars. And I still don't think OP is a hypocrite

 

[Hxc]

Other people are not in someone's mind when they are in a state like that. It literally does not register as the urge to well, die, is greater than anything else.

 

[Tefal]

Look, if I take that to the other end of the scale, I could ask you - If you feel like shooting someone in the face with your gun, do you worry that it may be seen as inconsiderate to shoot someone else in the face? - Are you seriously trying to tell me that there is no scale in all of this?

Of course I don't consider it inconsiderate to take the pint. It’s a minor thing to fix an emergency situation, and a thing I can fix at that (Sorry about that mate, let me buy you another), its hardly the same as an action that will leave deep and dramatic phycological scars. And I still don't think OP is a hypocrite

Huh what scale?


What i'm saying is at the time you panic and do what you need to do to "fix" your situation, just like with the pint you won't think "oh i'll buy him another" before you do it you'll just act to resolve your problem then sort it out after, just in this case hopefully there is no after.

Also with such low self worth you'd be surprised how you won't think that anyone else would even care enough to slow down let alone have psychological scars, but then everyone is different views it differently, and has different motivations.


Might just be he thought he could fly.

 

[Fuzz]

So some children can find your diseased and decaying body while out playing?

Or more likely the police when the hunt for your apparent disappearance starts.

 

[Linkex]

Huh what scale?


What i'm saying is at the time you panic and do what you need to do to "fix" your situation, just like with the pint you won't think "oh i'll buy him another" before you do it you'll just act to resolve your problem then sort it out after, just in this case hopefully there is no after.

Also with such low self worth you'd be surprised how you won't think that anyone else would even care enough to slow down let alone have psychological scars, but then everyone is different views it differently, and has different motivations.


Might just be he thought he could fly.

Sorry, ignore that, got you mixed up with Deadbeat. To answer the question you actually asked, its still not the same. Depression isn't sudden, at least not walking along happy, depression strikes and you jurmp off the next bridge. It takes time to develop the desire to end it all, and you will inherintly consider your actions during this time. Now, it may be that there is no ability to sustain logical thought (I don't currently buy this, but I'm open to being proved wrong), however, assuming logical thought is there, then your point is invalid. Also, see my post to deadbeat regarding scale, it applies here to. There is a big difference between taking someones pint and causing deep pycological scars.

Its trying to compare apples and oranges. I don't mind comparing apples with apples, and I don't mind taking a persons mental condition into account when I do, but trying to compare something like a lost pint to witnessing a death won't convince me of your point.

 

[ennogs]

My mate had to see this from his car this morning:

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...riously_injured_in_fall_from_motorway_bridge/

Seriously, if you're going to do that, why feel the need to make tens of other people watch you do it?

My friend is properly upset, and understandably. Have some consideration for others, selfish ****.

That's his Christmas and New Year overshadowed by someone else's selfishness.

I hope you never ever get suicidal and become selfish. Do you know how much pain and misery you have to be in to contemplate/commit suicide? Being selfish was that last thing on that poor guys mind.

Sometimes General Discussion comments amaze me.

 

[ennogs]

I stand by my views that it was still a very inconsiderate thing to do - and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

I feel for the family, I really do, but rather than 'end it all' there are always ways to get help and deal with problems. Sometimes problems can seem like they're insurmountable, but in my opinion there is always a way.

My gripe was at the fact a very close friend of mine has to have those images stuck in his head of the incident happening, when he did nothing to cause it, had no choice in seeing it and could do nothing to help.

Did you friend see everything? In other words did he see the whole jump followed by watching the body hit the ground? If he only saw the man jump then he did not see anything horrific really.

Do you not think it is a bit sad your friend thought well thats my Xmas and New Year ruined rather than that poor guy and I feel really sorry for any family he has left behind. Who is being the selfish one in this situation?

 

[Tefal]

Sorry, ignore that, got you mixed up with Deadbeat. To answer the question you actually asked, its still not the same. Depression isn't sudden, at least not walking along happy, depression strikes and you jurmp off the next bridge. It takes time to develop the desire to end it all, and you will inherintly consider your actions during this time. Now, it may be that there is no ability to sustain logical thought (I don't currently buy this, but I'm open to being proved wrong), however, assuming logical thought is there, then your point is invalid. Also, see my post to deadbeat regarding scale, it applies here to. There is a big difference between taking someones pint and causing deep pycological scars.

Its trying to compare apples and oranges. I don't mind comparing apples with apples, and I don't mind taking a persons mental condition into account when I do, but trying to compare something like a lost pint to witnessing a death won't convince me of your point.

only because you consider the pint less valuable than the person, the person probbaly doesn't.

but you're right no it's not sudden but motivation can be a rare and fleeting thing, people may fantasise about suicide for a long time but when they finally decide to act it might not be according to plan.


the pint thing was not meant to be taken as a literal equivalent just that, when you're in that level of pain you don't really tend to care about the consequences as long as it ends your suffering.

 

[ennogs]

I get the loss of empathy, and thus the social interaction due to the loss of benefit/reward, but are you saying they are not capable of making the link between "I will land on the road in front of people" and "People will be upset seeing this"? Or is it that they make the connection but don't/can't care? Seriously, thats not a sarcastic question, I'm curious how deeply the disconnect goes.

When you are suicidal you lose all rational thoughts like think of your family, think about the person or people who will fiind you etc.

You don't think I want to die then think things like think of your family, wife kids etc or people who will find you dead then think sod them I am selfish I only care about me.

It's not that you dont care about others when you are suicidal you do.

 

[Housey]

Wow man jumped off bridge big deal cool story

Deal with it.

About 25 years ago a friend of mine had someone jump off a bridge and land on the bonnet of his car, his head hitting the windscreen it killed the jumper in an instant and both him and his girlfriend ended up with the body under the front of the car and for several minutes had to deal with the aftermath until the emergency services arrived. For years after his sleep was effected and he had problems with bed wetting caused by this incident, his girlfriend was also impacted in other ways. I did wonder why the doctors he was under didn't simply tell him to 'deal with it', but then they were probably not as erudite as you.

Now this is very different to the OP's friend, but statements like yours and like all those we see across the internet from people 5 removed from the problem are both childish and make the poster look like a fool. It's easy to make such silly comments from behind the keyboard in your bedroom, it adds nothing but it makes the poster feel cool I'm sure, when to most people it shows someone with self esteem issues.

I'm having a bad Christmas, Bah humbug.

 

[ennogs]

Sorry, ignore that, got you mixed up with Deadbeat. To answer the question you actually asked, its still not the same. Depression isn't sudden, at least not walking along happy, depression strikes and you jurmp off the next bridge. It takes time to develop the desire to end it all, and you will inherintly consider your actions during this time. Now, it may be that there is no ability to sustain logical thought (I don't currently buy this, but I'm open to being proved wrong), however, assuming logical thought is there, then your point is invalid. Also, see my post to deadbeat regarding scale, it applies here to. There is a big difference between taking someones pint and causing deep pycological scars.

Its trying to compare apples and oranges. I don't mind comparing apples with apples, and I don't mind taking a persons mental condition into account when I do, but trying to compare something like a lost pint to witnessing a death won't convince me of your point.

That is not always true. People with depression can have something called triggers. Lets say an overwight person (I know they can diet it is just an example) has a trigger that when people take the micky out of them for their size they become depressed. So one minute they are feeling ok then somebody takes the micky out of them for being overweight and then it triggers their depression. So you can literally go from being happy to very depressed in minutes.

 

[scrlk]

About 25 years ago a friend of mine had someone jump off a bridge and land on the bonnet of his car, his head hitting the windscreen it killed the jumper in an instant and both him and his girlfriend ended up with the body under the front of the car and for several minutes had to deal with the aftermath until the emergency services arrived. For years after his sleep was effected and he had problems with bed wetting caused by this incident, his girlfriend was also impacted in other ways. I did wonder why the doctors he was under didn't simply tell him to 'deal with it', but then they were probably not as erudite as you.

Now this is very different to the OP's friend, but statements like yours and like all those we see across the internet from people 5 removed from the problem are both childish and make the poster look like a fool. It's easy to make such silly comments from behind the keyboard in your bedroom, it adds nothing but it makes the poster feel cool I'm sure, when to most people it shows someone with self esteem issues.

I'm having a bad Christmas, Bah humbug.

Don't worry, he's an unemployed 16 year old with a fascination for Margaret Thatcher.

 

[Tefal]

Don't worry, he's an unemployed 16 year old with a fascination for Margaret Thatcher.

what 16 year old doesn't?

 

[ennogs]

I'm of the same opinion as the OP here.

If you want to kill yourself, that's absolutely fine, no problem.
Go in to the woods, sling a rope over a branch, stick it round your neck, lean back against the trunk and say goodbye.
Or find a night time ferry somewhere and just jump off.

If it's actually a cry for help... go and get the sodding help, not let people witness your demise on the M62.

It's not a cry for help. A cry for help as an example would be to take an overdose then tell somebody you have done it or to cut your wrists and then got to A&E. For whatever reason that poor guy jumped of the bridge wanting to die.


Believe you and me if you tell a psychiatrist or psychologist you took an overdose and survived without seeking medical attention they would take that extremely seriously. You tell the same psychiatrist or psychologist you took an overdose then sought medical attention they will not treat it as serious as the first scenario as they will see the second scenario as a cry for help.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

Meanwhile, those complaining that the person who JUST KILLED THEIR SELF don't give one toss about the circumstances that said person must be facing, in order to make them want to KILL THEIR SELF, but are way too concerned about their own feelings and relatively insignificant problems, compared to someone who JUST KILLED THEIR SELF.

Selfish ****s.

 

[Housey]

Don't worry, he's an unemployed 16 year old with a fascination for Margaret Thatcher.

I did think of telling him to grow up, perhaps I need to give him some more years to do so.....and also a thing for The Thatch is scary...