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Very old tyre now, popular still because of the low price really.
**EVO Performance Tyre Test 2012**
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Very old tyre now, popular still because of the low price really.
So you think a CS5 performs the same as a CS2?
You see my point though. If tyre technology doesnt really move on in 6 years then why would Goodyear waste money developing two further generations since the GS-D3? Why would Michelin replace PS2 with PSS, etc etc? Clearly things do move on.
If tyre companies could rest on the laurels and cash-cow products for which the development costs are paid for then you can bet they absolutely would - like Audi are with the A3
If tyre companies could rest on the laurels and cash-cow products for which the development costs are paid for then you can bet they absolutely would - like Audi are with the A3
It's not like we've just discovered a magic rubber though. Tyre technology has had to mOve on to keep up with all the fat cars and more power going through the wheels. Where you gain somewhere you will lose in another area.
Although active braking is an interesting tyre technology I guess.
Although active braking is an interesting tyre technology I guess.
I was going to give them a look but you and a few others have said they don't suit it, but Clio drivers say they have a very stiff sidewall. There's also Dunlop Fast Response for my size (195/50/15) which I'm weighing up as they're supposedly much stiffer than PE2's, everything else in the range is just not up to the job IMO
OK never mind a for sale just came up with four 7mm Parada spec 2's for £300, yoink
In the dry they were fine, gripped well with reasonable feedback, sidewall is in between the squishy 912/T1R sort and the Bridgestones, but it's their complete lack of grip at the sniff of rain or in the cold that had me feeling unsafe. I mean like pulling our of a junction on fresh tarmac and understeering terribly at 2mph. The tyres had 5mm + left and I took them off and replaced them with some Continental Sportcontact 2's and the Parada's went in the bin. The difference was night and day.
The DC2 is a 'drivers' car, don't ruin it with tyres that leave a lot to be desired from a 'drivers' point of view.
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You've obviously not checked the prices of the vred sessantas recently then. They are anything from £180 to £268 a pop (in my size), which is exactly the same ball park price figure for most of the other tyres (CS2, etc), although admittedly, they are often on a deal from the likes of camskill. That's not cheap, at all. It's not a credible alternative because it's cheap, it's a credible alternative because it's exactly that. A credible alternative. Knowing you've never even tried them, it highlights a lot about your general viewpoint on things.
They are £138 in my size compared to £193 for ContiSport Contact3 and £200 for Eagle F1 AS2.
If they were not cheaper then you'd use more modern tyres instead. For the price they are excellent, but they remain popular due to price.
The last 3 appearances in tyre tests were nearly 2 years ago where they came 9th each time.
You are right I've not tried them, why would I want to try a tyre that has in recent times consistently placed as near as makes no difference bottom when I can instead buy tyres which top the tables
It seems that it's party trick is aquaplane resistence - I guess hence the tread pattern - but it dissapoints everywhere else..
If they were not cheaper then you'd use more modern tyres instead. For the price they are excellent, but they remain popular due to price.
The last 3 appearances in tyre tests were nearly 2 years ago where they came 9th each time.
You are right I've not tried them, why would I want to try a tyre that has in recent times consistently placed as near as makes no difference bottom when I can instead buy tyres which top the tables
It seems that it's party trick is aquaplane resistence - I guess hence the tread pattern - but it dissapoints everywhere else..
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Muffin', super stiff sidewalls only on the DC2, you should know this.
AD08 is a good shout for the DC2 IMO.
You're right, I was just trying to save £100
[TW]Fox;20930931 said:You are right I've not tried them, why would I want to try a tyre that has in recent times consistently placed as near as makes no difference bottom when I can instead buy tyres which top the tables
Because, like me and the majorioty of other people on here, you never drive your car anywhere near the limits that makes tyre choice in this range an issue. Sure, I'm not saying put ditch finders on, because that is silly, but a vred sessanta is not going to perform any better or worse than a CSC3 given the style and type of driving we both do. It's not like we go every weekend to the track. A CSC3 is not going to keep you on the road any better than a Sessanta. And, unlike a tyre review where I've lived with them for the best part of 4 years, I can wholeheartedly say they were always better than the GSD3 and the Asyms I had on there last year, without doubt. Quieter, gripier, longer lasting and they stop just as well as any other tyre I've ever used where I've had to stop quickly.
I'm in the same boat as you though. I've never tried a CSC3, but I can't say it's going to make my driving world a better place to be. However, you should at least try the vreds for a full round, and then you can be free to impartially comment on them to your hears content
Most wet roads are not covered in standing water though, they are merely wet.
However, you should at least try the vreds for a full round, and then you can be free to impartially comment on them to your hears content
The problem with tyres is that even cheap ones are expensive and a set of rear tyres will last me 18 months. I don't wish to potentially be stuck with tyres I'm unhappy with for 18 months to allow me more context to debate tyres on an internet forum, so I'll probably be going for F1AS2