There's no solution to this problem, except facism and sterilzing people. You can build more houses, but they will get filled with new poor and unemplyed. Sure, send them to another part of the country , but they'll keep bredding there, too. Doomed!
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Damn those poor unemplyed bredding people. We should definitely employ a facist policy of sterilzation.
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I'm living in the cheapest flat I could find, I was living in a room for 15 years before I moved into this flat, rooms in houses with drug dealers and people threatening you with knifes and police coming in and out with gypsies as neighbours, it was hell, and even living in one room working full time I still needed benefits because of how expensive it was, I'm talking the bottom rung of the ladder here, I ended up getting more and more depressed and became an alcoholic, things got real bad, I had enough of being prideful and decided to ring the council and asked if they would pay extra so that I could move into a bottom of the market flat, nothing fancy, the cheapest you can possibly get in a poor area, so that's where I am, and I haven't touched a drink since I moved in and I'm saving money albeit very slowly.
But like I've said before, if I eventually move to an area with better job prospects how does that solve the problem for the people that are left behind in these areas?, of which there are many in Briton, they can't all just quit their jobs and move, someone has to fill their vacancies, the point I'm trying to make is that living in a poor area while in a full-time job you shouldn't need benefits, but you do because of how high the rent is even at the bottom of the market but nobody seems to care about that, millions upon millions of pounds of tax payers money going to the pockets of private landlords, with very limited to practically non existent social housing left they can practically charge what they want, our town is full of landlords getting rich from benefits and tax credits being used to pay for rent, if a full time minimum wage job isn't enough to cover your rent and basic bills in a non-affluent area then something is wrong with society.
End of the day it seems people on here don't care about how much these landlords charge, I guess being that this is prominently a Tory influenced forum I shouldn't be surprised really, free market and all that.
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It isn't. Rent down here is much less than other parts of the country, like, seriously low. Most jobs pay pretty much the same as elsewhere too. For example, Tescos and other supermarkets all pay the same wherever you go, iirc I got paid more to work in a Cornish Tescos than I did in a Sainsburys in Bournemouth.
When I was in Guildford I was doing a basic job, had lots of the luxuries I didn't need at all and could afford it easily.
I've moved back to Devon (almost in Cornwall) for a job and I'm astounded by how cheap it is to rent around here. I was looking at paying £750 or so for a bedsit in Guildford, down here I can rent a four bed house for the same amount.
It is so much cheaper to live down here it really is ridiculous, I'm not even on a brilliant wage either. Granted I'm not on shelf stacking money any more, but I am getting more down here than I could in the Surrey/London area.
Basically, I agree with Conanius and know that the cost of living down here is not as stupid as certain members claim it to be.
**** the poor, **** benefits for simply being work shy, bring back work houses, hostel type accommodation and food stamps.
The retarded socialist attitude in this country is unbelievable.
The current system stinks - apply for three jobs a week to get JSA? You should have to apply for three jobs in a morning and another 4 in the afternoon just to get your benefit. I'm sick and tired of the work shy scrounging council estate dwelling chain smoking alcoholic baseball cap wearing uneducated ****s living out of my pocket, and then supporting the highest crime rate of any other social class.
Poor people need to stop having kids. Contraception implants should be administered to every single female benefit claimant and should only be removed after a solid 12 months of continuous employment.
These people are a blight on our society and should not be tolerated.
The retarded socialist attitude in this country is unbelievable.
The current system stinks - apply for three jobs a week to get JSA? You should have to apply for three jobs in a morning and another 4 in the afternoon just to get your benefit. I'm sick and tired of the work shy scrounging council estate dwelling chain smoking alcoholic baseball cap wearing uneducated ****s living out of my pocket, and then supporting the highest crime rate of any other social class.
Poor people need to stop having kids. Contraception implants should be administered to every single female benefit claimant and should only be removed after a solid 12 months of continuous employment.
These people are a blight on our society and should not be tolerated.
Damn ******* right.
It's not fair on us as tax payers, and it's not fair on the kids - why should they be brought into this world without being asked and then raised by ****less, lazy, ill educated scumbags with questionable morals only to follow in the footsteps of their ridiculous parents.
We should club together and buy you a shotgun. I'm sure you'd sort things out post haste.
I think you missed my point.
Yer not wrong mate my oath you aint!
Well, the question is, why are you staying there still?
I see your point about the wider context of 'what happens with the whole of the people living there' but it seems to me that the housing benefits actually traps people in horrible situations like the ones you mentioned. If you had no recourse to the benefit you'd have been pushed to go somewhere else and better your life much earlier on than suffering all that to avoid change.
In response, employers who were left without employees would have to increase the wages for the employees to deal with high rents etc.
In this case, the benefit is actually supporting high rentals instead of the private sector doing that. Basically, the tax payer is supporting the high rent prices for the employers to enjoy giving out lower wages. That is perverse.
More importantly, housing benefit is perverse as it forces people to accept their situation and not work towards bettering themselves and also stopping them from moving to other areas - which is the natural way of things (as all the immigrants are doing coming into UK, because they don't have a welfare state to fall back on so they have to sort out themselves).
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This is the N Ireland housing benefit rates, I think its time for a UK wide universal tap on housing benefit. The NI rates would make a good foundation to start from.
http://www.nihe.gov.uk/index/benefits/lha/current_lha_rates.htm
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No it isn't you right, I never claimed it to be more expensive than other county's or areas, but that was partly my point, even in an area like Cornwall where it is cheaper to live it's still too expensive if you have a full time minimum wage job, due to the cost of living you are automatically eligible for housing benefit and tax credits, even though you work full time, I personally think that the money you receive from a full time minimum pay job should be enough to live on semi-comfortably, but it's not, am I wrong to think that?
Or is it that landlords are being fare with their rental charges and minimum wage is too low?, because I don't agree with that at all, some people may accuse me of being a socialist pansy or whatever but I know a lot of businesses down here couldn't afford to employ people over minimum wage, they'd either have to let them go or cut their work force down by a large margin, many small businesses would just go under, so what's the answer?
I don't have an education and that wasn't through lack of trying, school was too hard for me, I tried college and evening classes, it's like the teacher/tutors were speaking another language, academically speaking I'm just not that bright, ok, not the end of the world, the way I think is I'll just get by doing a full-time basic job that doesn't really require any qualifications, at least I'm doing my bit, someone has to do these menial jobs, and personally I don't really mind too much, but the problem is as I say, is that it's annoying needing benefits while working these jobs, living week to week because of the cost of rent, anyone doing any full time job shouldn't need benefits.
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I cba to dig up the quote but just to remind eveyone "shoes" was surprised anyone could live on 10k a year.
BOOOTSTRAPS BOOTSTRAPS if we keep saying it everything will be ok and the mysterious hands of the free market will save us (just the rich).
BOOOTSTRAPS BOOTSTRAPS if we keep saying it everything will be ok and the mysterious hands of the free market will save us (just the rich).
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I could survive on min wage around here, no chance I'd do so where I'm used to, without credits.
In my opinion from living and working down here on min wage and else where on min wage, its more than possible to live on min wage. I worked two jobs part time elsewhere, commuted 60miles a day for 3 days for one working 10-4, was on min wage. Whilst working there I also worked 12hrs pw stocking shelves in a supermarket (slightly more than min wage). I was able to run a car, socialise, enjoy myself and not rack up debt or use credits.
This is where I agree. I can't help but assume you're living in one of the Cornish towns that is a tourist trap. I can understand rent being higher in these areas and making living on min wage harder. I don't see it as being impossible, without benefits.
One of the reasons behind rental prices in your area (if it is indeed a tourist trap like Newquay, Falmouth etc.) will be property prices. Due to lots of people retiring to the SW into these towns and of course second homes as well, prices are not low. This then means if someone buys, on a mortgage, then it's highly likely that they'll have large repayments. If it is bought to rent then they have to meet repayments, so rent has to be high.
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This is exactly what shouldn't happen. Great, every benefit scrounger from the South piled Northwards
Wouldn't surpise me with Cameron mind, maybe that's what the high speed rail link is for.This is exactly what shouldn't happen. Great, every benefit scrounger from the South piled Northwards
and what of the Falkland Islands ? Send em there It's a win win win and win situation. The Argies would think twice before attacking with welfare bums a lining the shoreline a waitin to go on the Argies welfare teet
You don't get it. You admitted to spending circa £600 a year on "toys". Thats £600 a year you SHOULD NOT be getting on benefits. Benefits should provide a bare minimum, not money left to get SLI graphics cards....
And this is the problem. NO ONE on benefits should have cash left to buy that sort of crap. If they do, they are getting too much on benefits. The state should give a helping hand, I agree there, but they shouldn't be subsidising a situation like that. I have to sit down and work out what I can afford when it comes to buying things like a PC/Phone/Car/Broadband Deal etc... it all costs money. Be it £10 or £100 a month, it is not essential. The savings this country could make are huge getting these sorts of things right.
I'm not suggesting they should have no food etc, I'm suggesting they shouldn't have enough benefit to be smoking a Marlboro Light, whilst texting on their iPhone, queueing up for a coffee in MochaChocaLatteBucks, getting ready to use their SLI'd PC to play WoW... etc etc etc... That just shouldn't be happening !