Poll: Why does England still have a royal family?

Are you pro or anti royal?

  • Total voters
    604
Castiel said:
Well, we live in a society that loves to 'hate' the establishment, yet would also defend that establishment with their lives if they thought someone was going to take it away from them......



The British...go figure! ;)
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It's a good point. However, I wonder how many people would go up to the front line to serve? I did my "call of duty" for France, but would I die for France? No. Would I want to die for the UK? No. I love the UK, France and other countries, but I don't feel any more loyal to them... Well that's not true, I feel more loyal to the countries in which I have a connection (i.e. most of Europe! :p) and the sense of comfort I get when I get home is second to none. Especially if I've spent some time in a 3rd world country, or been to places subject to desperate poverty.

I enjoy the modern aspects of our society, however, I don't feel any particular loyalty.
 
elmarko1234 said:
Are you really saying that sleeping your way into a family is something to be desired.

"Hey Daughter, if you want to be head of state you better get used to bending your legs behind your head for a half bald rich toff!".

Great message.
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Wow what a stupid thing to say. Clearly you have a horrible view on women if that is what you think. Won't be listening to your posts seriously anymore :eek:
 
elmarko1234 said:
Are you really saying that sleeping your way into a family is something to be desired.

"Hey Daughter, if you want to be head of state you better get used to bending your legs behind your head for a half bald rich toff!".

Great message.
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LOL. Are you really that petty and spiteful?

I almost pity you... :rolleyes:
 
Craig1981 said:
I would love to see an actual referendum on whether the monarchy should be abolished or not. If the antis are so few and far between then the pros wouldn't have anything to worry about and the will of the majority would prevail.

Even if they won, I would just be keen to see how many pros and how many antis there truly are.
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Agreed it would be interesting. :)
 
elmarko1234 said:
I thought have thought so.

The royal family has always been promoted quite heavily in the military over the last few centuries (for obvious reasons).

But I'd like to know how you can square the basis concept of equality/democracy with the contradictory concept of succession by birthright.

The two concepts are not compatible, because having an exclusive family as head of state is basically saying "unless prince William wants to **** you, then he marries you & dies - you will never be head of state".
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Because I understand what a constitutional monarchy is and that it doesn't infringe on my democratic freedom.

And I was a Royalist before ever being in the military so if you are going to try the 'you were brainwashed' tactic, don't bother.
 
FNGsam said:
Wow what a stupid thing to say. Clearly you have a horrible view on women if that is what you think. Won't be listening to your posts seriously anymore :eek:
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The pain is crippling me - please stop.

But seriously,

If you have another method say a young person could become the head of state I'd love to hear it.

:rolleyes:
 
Castiel said:
Because I understand what a constitutional monarchy is and that it doesn't infringe on my democratic freedom.

And I was a Royalist before ever being in the military so if you are going to try the 'you were brainwashed' tactic, don't bother.
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You only replied to half of the question.

Conveniently missing out the equality part.
 
I do sort of feel sorry for the princes - they have no choice but to be born in a family that was granted some supercitizen status. They don't get to live the normal life that most of us experience, like even going to an ATM to get some money out, or sneak out at night, climb over the fence to go to a rave. What if they didn't want to be "royal"? I certainly wouldn't want the attention, and from the life I've had, I wouldn't have been able to do half the things that made me who I am. Imagine shagging your way around uni for example, the newspapers would have a field day! lol!

Kudos to them for gritting their teeth and being British about it and getting on with it. It's a lifestyle that I would absolutely hate.
 
utterly indifferent. I'm pro democracy I'm happy with what the nation chooses as a democracy but if I was forced to vote I would probably vote to keep them.
 
Salsa said:
LOL. Are you really that petty and spiteful?

I almost pity you... :rolleyes:
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;) E-pity - thanks.

I was making a point that the only way of a "normal" to become the head of state was thought a marriage/sexual relationships with members of a specific family.

If there is another way, I'd love you to share it with us - because that's the unfortunate truth.
 
Despite liking to 'fight the power' from time to time I'm still pro monarchy. Nothing wrong with a bit of tradition and it makes Britain a bit special (in so many ways ;)). I'm not all that interested in what they get up too, but it's nice to know they're still around. There's the added bonus that it gets some foreigners both confused and strangely angry.

If nothing else it saves us from having another worthless politician from being our head of state.
 
Meh neither here or there on the Royals so i went for the indifferent option...a few yrs ago i was very anti royal as i didnt see the point of them ie found them outdated etc etc but lately i think they are pretty good for the country ie with tourism and the income they generate for the country and hell the queen isnt such a bad lass is she....she has a hilarious partner in Prince Phillip:p...thats got to count for something.
 
Freefaller said:
It's a good point. However, I wonder how many people would go up to the front line to serve? I did my "call of duty" for France, but would I die for France? No. Would I want to die for the UK? No. I love the UK, France and other countries, but I don't feel any more loyal to them... Well that's not true, I feel more loyal to the countries in which I have a connection (i.e. most of Europe! :p) and the sense of comfort I get when I get home is second to none. Especially if I've spent some time in a 3rd world country, or been to places subject to desperate poverty.

I enjoy the modern aspects of our society, however, I don't feel any particular loyalty.
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You don't defend the country as an entity though, you defend what that country represents to you. It is one of those questions that is difficult to answer on a personal level unless faced with the choice......and if someone sought to remove the establishment of law, democracy, identity and the symbols that accompany them, to replace them with foreign ideologies and foreign identities there are more than a few that would balk at that.

Nationally I, like you straddle two disparate systems, one a Monarchy, the other a Republic...to my mind neither infringes on my democratic rights, in fact in my case if I lived in the United States arguably my rights would be more at risk than in the UK...which say a lot about that particular form of republicanism right now.

I see the Monarchy for what it is, a symbol of historical identity and I like all the symbolism and pomp that accompanies it, I feel it defines British Identity and to replace that with another form of symbolic Statehood seems pointless and counter productive. I feel that the Monarchy give far more to the Country than it receives and I cannot see how a Presidency would offer the same level of national identity.
 
ubersonic said:
The UK foreign secretary is William Hague, The Prince of Wales is Charles.

William Hague gets up in the morning does his job as foreign secretary then goes home in his shiny new car, after his term in government he will most likely have enough to retire and take it easy.

Prince Charles gets up and is already at work because he spends 24 hours a day being an ambassador for Wales, no man in history has done more to promote our country on the international stage expect perhaps Tom Jones (who made tons of money and lives a big flash house with his sports cars). Charles goes home in his 30 year old Rolls (kinda like a 20 year old Lexus but nowhere near as good) to his big old draughty house, sure its big but its also old. Even when he has "time off" he has an army of reporters following him so he never has the freedoms of you or me and added to that he never has the money of a rock star or the lifestyle of a lottery winner.

Personally I'm very proud of my Prince, he does more charity work per year than most of his haters do in a lifetime and does more for good causes and to promote Wales than anyone else.
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I'm not a great fan of Prince Charles, he's just not my cup of tea. That said, I don't doubt he works just as hard as everyone else at the least.
 
Castiel said:
No I didn't.

It is irrelevant as I am as equal under the law as a member of the royal family.
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Who said anything about equal under law.

I'm talking about succession by birthright into a position of minor power & prestige - along with being head of the church & head of state.

You are either avoiding the point, or don't understand the question.

As I'm certain you are not an idiot I'd wager the first.
 
Castiel said:
You don't defend the country as an entity though, you defend what that country represents to you. It is one of those questions that is difficult to answer on a personal level unless faced with the choice......and if someone sought to remove the establishment of law, democracy, identity and the symbols that accompany them, to replace them with foreign ideologies and foreign identities there are more than a few that would balk at that.

Nationally I, like you straddle two disparate systems, one a Monarchy, the other a Republic...to my mind neither infringes on my democratic rights, in fact in my case if I lived in the United States arguably my rights would be more at risk than in the UK...which say a lot about that particular form of republicanism right now.

I see the Monarchy for what it is, a symbol of historical identity and I like all the symbolism and pomp that accompanies it, I feel it defines British Identity and to replace that with another form of symbolic Statehood seems pointless and counter productive. I feel that the Monarchy give far more to the Country than it receives and I cannot see how a Presidency would offer the same level of national identity.
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Oh I agree entirely that as a country on a whole, fantastic! However attributing it solely to an archaic system like the monarchy to me seems a little far fetched. OVerall I don't think they do much harm, however, I do still feel it's a farce. However don't you feel a sense of identity without the royal family?
 
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