I think its depressing that the bulk of the yes votes are from English people.
Why do you hate us so much?
Because people don't know a good thing when they see one and ultimately why referendums are a terrible idea.
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Because people don't know a good thing when they see one and ultimately why referendums are a terrible idea.
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generally, "if they want", is my stance on this.
so.. indifferent
so.. indifferent
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If Scotland goes, then the UK should move the headquarters of the two largest Scottish banks, owned by the UK taxpayer. Those banks should be renamed and relocated to England, Wales or NI. The Student Loans Company's HQ should also be relocated from Glasgow. Why should Scotland administer the fees for students who are not Scottish? The list can go on for ever.
If the SNP think their people want independence then they should have a referendum now.
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Are they taking the mick? Independence should be a real independence, not a phony one. They want independence from the UK, but don't mind riding off the back of its resources?
An independent Scotland is a disaster.
If the SNP think their people want independence then they should have a referendum now.
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Are they taking the mick? Independence should be a real independence, not a phony one. They want independence from the UK, but don't mind riding off the back of its resources?
An independent Scotland is a disaster.
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I am a Scot. Hath not a Scot eyes? Hath not a Scot hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases, healed by the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as an English is? If you ***** us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not lol? if we read Britboy posts, do we not facepalm? and if you troll us, shall we not revenge?
Because people don't know a good thing when they see one and ultimately why referendums are a terrible idea.
Different political parties are meant to offer change, not just more of the same old. I think its healthy to have this type of debates from time to time and more change should be advocate with political parties.
As for independance the opposing parties not only have to show the Scottish people that being part of the UK is better for Scotland, they have to show the rest of the UK that having Scotland as part of it is the best deal for their own country or could risk a new problem rising.
Salmond just has to show the Scottish people they get a better deal, which in my eyes is probably easier than the above.
Sadly its all just talk at the moment and is easy to pick the problems from either side. What will be interesting is when the parties start defining what it really is with plans backed up with the right information for or against.
I am British, live in England and currently work in Scotland. If the Scottish want independance then fair enough, they should have it. Personally I think it is a bad idea as I think the UK is stronger together than being apart but I can see why they want to be masters of their own destiny.
I despise all the nationalistic crap that goes with all this independance debate and that falls on both sides of the border. I work with Scots up in Edinburgh and there isnt any of this nonsense, we are all friends and have a laugh with each other. Many of my work friends/colleagues are currently sitting on the fence because they just dont know the financial implications and I doubt there will be an honest look at this.
I despise all the nationalistic crap that goes with all this independance debate and that falls on both sides of the border. I work with Scots up in Edinburgh and there isnt any of this nonsense, we are all friends and have a laugh with each other. Many of my work friends/colleagues are currently sitting on the fence because they just dont know the financial implications and I doubt there will be an honest look at this.
That's incredibly difficult to do when the fanatical supporters of independence spout rhetoric's such as 'English rule', 'Oppression' and 'Bullying'. There's no way to counter those arguments and merely seem's to frustrate supporters of the union.
It's up to the Scottish to ensure that they hold everything that Dear Leader says to account, taking this process based on sound bites is a dangerous game.
Both sides have convincing arguments for and against in both social and economic terms, but what cannot be denied is that the UK is only the UK it is because of the Union. I'd expect now that there will be a steady flow of information from both sides on how they will tackle matters but it's in both sides interest to ensure that what happens after the breakup is more important than how we breakup.
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I am curious as to how much support there is in Scotland for independence. The cynic in me says the SNP simply bashes on about it to score cheap political points as they know Westminster is going to oppose them all the way, with the actual chance of full, independent nation status being very slim.
Still I believe in the right to self-determination, so if they want a referendum, regardless of legal wrangling they should have one.
Still I believe in the right to self-determination, so if they want a referendum, regardless of legal wrangling they should have one.
lol.
My Uncle used to vote conservative. We don't speak to that part of the family now.
It is misconstrued to think that the SNP want to sever all ties with the rest of the UK. Linking into the bank of England is a smart idea. I can think of at least 1 other small country that does this with a larger neighbour with great success. An independant Scotland can still contribute to the rest of the British Isles as it does now.
My guess it is close to the 50% mark. The SNP want to give the right to vote to 16/17 year olds where support for Indepenence is much higher.
My opinion: the Scots can have their independence if they truly want it, but it'll be a damn shame to split up what has been a remarkably successful partnership and it will make a lot of things unnecessarily complicated.
If a split does take place, I hope it is a proper split.
If a split does take place, I hope it is a proper split.
how petty.
It is misconstrued to think the rest of the union would want anything to do with you after the split too.
Thankfully such support through this is small and not wide spread. Best it does is make for a good show/some news for the media. Its better not to bring attention to these types of supporters.
Very ill informed here. For a starter the general public opinion of Salmond (aka Dear Leader) isn’t that great among most Scots from my experience. Assuming a majority of people will vote based on sound bites is just plain silly, although some will but the same can be said for any type of vote.
Excellent. Give the vote to a bunch of kids that are too young and stupid to understand the implications of voting yes/no.
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I'm English and say what could possibly be the benefit of splitting the union? Even more so for the Scots.
It's what gets me every time. To most people when talking about "oil" revenue they mean both revenue from O&G, do the Scottish nationalists mean the same? I don't think anyone knows, it would make a huge difference to whether Salmonds obsession with 90% of the "Oil" revenue is correct or not though...
Meh, well whichever natural resource we can plunder
I also can't be bothered getting a second passport, however much I'd love one...
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A second passport from Scotland really isn't going to do much tbh, not like having an Australian or US passport really is it.
And ouch at the poll, around 2/3rds of Scots don't want independence but more than half the English want Scotland independent...