BenQ XL2420T Now available

PCM2, just a question:

There's been a lot of criticism on the XL2410T having the dark ghost trail with AMA enabled. This is usually tested using PixPerAn.

Now, If i move a black object on a white background on my monitor, and look REALLY REALLY close and follow the object and possible location of the trail with my eyes, I do see that the XL2420T has this too. (I never had a XL2410T, so I don't know how it compares to that) However, it is so difficult to see, that I actually don't see or notice it at all anywhere else... I actually cannot spot it on anything but a very white background.

So my question is, is the PixPerAn test still a fair test if you're using (I'm guessing) a DSLR with a very quick shutter? If there's a ghosting trail, won't it be much more visible on a 60Hz screen than on a 120Hz screen? For the camera you're using for the test, it probably won't be much different, but it is for your eyes I reckon?

In any case, I am very very satisfied with my XL2420T. There's no way I made a wrong choice buying it, especially considering I hate glossy screens and thus the Samsungs were no option for me.

It is often the case that PixPerAn will highlight certain artifacts or imperfections that in most cases would go unnoticed during real-world testing. The common scenario itself of the red car with yellow driver moving across a blue background is itself fairly constrained and artificial in terms of the pixel transitions occuring and the speed at which they are occuring. Furthermore it represents what is captured by a camera at high shutter speed - in actuality it doesn't say how persistant or long-lived the trailing is. That is why in my own reviews I make explicit note of how the responsiveness of a monitor fairs in practice in a range of game titles. Having said that I do still think that PixPerAn is a useful comparative tool and it is a good way of indicating the existance (or absence) of a particular issue. It also gives some indication of the strength of that issue - for example you can see how bold and extensive trailing behaviour is. Because subjective assessment relies on personal perception, which is an individual thing, there is certainly room for both of these things.
 
It is often the case that PixPerAn will highlight certain artifacts or imperfections that in most cases would go unnoticed during real-world testing. The common scenario itself of the red car with yellow driver moving across a blue background is itself fairly constrained and artificial in terms of the pixel transitions occuring and the speed at which they are occuring. Furthermore it represents what is captured by a camera at high shutter speed - in actuality it doesn't say how persistant or long-lived the trailing is. That is why in my own reviews I make explicit note of how the responsiveness of a monitor fairs in practice in a range of game titles. Having said that I do still think that PixPerAn is a useful comparative tool and it is a good way of indicating the existance (or absence) of a particular issue. It also gives some indication of the strength of that issue - for example you can see how bold and extensive trailing behaviour is. Because subjective assessment relies on personal perception, which is an individual thing, there is certainly room for both of these things.

As a QuakeLive.com player, i move around a fairly bland map with simple items (single colour) and I have to say, the pixperan tests from the original model were pretty accurate with how they look in game. You're obviously right that in most cases they can go unnoticed (particularly in slower games or those that require minimal mouse movement), but in my experience it's important to remember that in some games it can still be quite apparent, so at least from my perspective I'm just waiting for your pixperan images.. I can't believe prad.de didn't take any. :D
 
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That was just a general opinion on PixPeran, not specific to the XL2410T. This was one of the times when the PixPerAn test revealed very bold and extensive trailing and this was also evident in practice. Not a problem for everyone of course, but undeniably there!
 
Made with my ****** compact camera:

AMA Off on the left, AMA On on the right

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When using PixPerAn I can easily see the difference between AMA on/off considering the dark trail, but this is the worst I have seen it on this monitor. I have not noticed it during FPS gaming or anything.
 
Yup, just like I said. AMA eliminates the trailing frame from 120hz and makes the image appear smoother and sharper in movement and more CRT like with pretty much some tiny amount of invisible ghosting, which is only noticable when moving text fast across the screen. Works really well, tech has come a long way. Just have to wait till we see 120hz IPS panels now :)

All LCD monitors have a technique like this, this is one of the best I have come across on the monitor
 
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I've got my monitor.

Guys, am I being thick .. ?

The S Switch that comes with it uses micro usb (might be mini, not sure) ... but I don't see a micro/mini usb port on the monitor. Am I being blind or do I need an adapter ?

Cheers. :D
 
There should be a micro usb socket next to the HDMI, then obviously connect the usb output on the monitor to the PC :)

The kind way of telling me I'm blind! Haha. I find it hard to see any of the ports ! my desk is so cramped so getting my head in a position to see what I'm doing is a nightmare !

24" is bigger than I thought, I need a new desk. :p

Thanks Pancake !

Edit: Oh wow, this S Switch is brilliant. Thank god I don't have to fiddle with the buttons on the monitor now. Soooo much easier. :)
 
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The kind way of telling me I'm blind! Haha. I find it hard to see any of the ports ! my desk is so cramped so getting my head in a position to see what I'm doing is a nightmare !

24" is bigger than I thought, I need a new desk. :p

Thanks Pancake !

Edit: Oh wow, this S Switch is brilliant. Thank god I don't have to fiddle with the buttons on the monitor now. Soooo much easier. :)

Hehe, it is quite hard to see and even when I looked to see where it was after you asking couldnt see at at first

Yeh S switch thing is a very innovative idea that works extremely well and is also needed, I love it.
 
I tried Batman Arkham City on this in 3D worked pretty damn good was a nice effect just a shame the fps of the game isn't good at all still. :(

However BF3 on the otherhand performed well, looked brilliant in 3D and makes me want to order 2nd GTX580 lol.

I haven't checked other games yet but will try Deus EX HR tomorrow as someone wanted to know how good it was or if anyone wants me to test more games just say as i have an awful lot....like 400+.:p
 
Nice :) I may try the 3D aspect in the future but not too interested right now.

Regarding Batman have you got the direct X 11 off? Because that game is still unfinished but works really well when you dont run it in direct X 11, and doesnt make a huge difference either.
 
Anyone able to download and install the custom profiles from the benQ website for this monitor? Mines having none of it with them saying that the panel isn't supported and I need to buy a 2420T/TX.... (I HAVE the 2420T lol)
 
The kind way of telling me I'm blind! Haha. I find it hard to see any of the ports ! my desk is so cramped so getting my head in a position to see what I'm doing is a nightmare !

I removed the panel from the stand. Placed it safely down on it's back, and then connected the cables.

Then attached it to the stand.

Much easier that way.
 
Anyone able to download and install the custom profiles from the benQ website for this monitor? Mines having none of it with them saying that the panel isn't supported and I need to buy a 2420T/TX.... (I HAVE the 2420T lol)

Mine installed them fine, didnt get any warnings etc. I didnt even install the driver 'til after too. Still installs fine with driver in as well :eek:
 
Anyone able to download and install the custom profiles from the benQ website for this monitor? Mines having none of it with them saying that the panel isn't supported and I need to buy a 2420T/TX.... (I HAVE the 2420T lol)

I am getting the same thing, i have the 2410T monitor as well. I unplugged it and just have the 2420T in and im still getting the same error.
 
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