Industry descended into being forced to call everything new 'next-gen', companies are unwilling to deviate and suffer less hype into less sales as a result. Proper First World silliness that.
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Gibbo are the 7950's actually selling?
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Industry descended into being forced to call everything new 'next-gen', companies are unwilling to deviate and suffer less hype into less sales as a result. Proper First World silliness that.
Caporegime
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The question is, do TSMC have the capacity to sell more..... likely answer is no hence the higher prices of a new process. Its not helped by the way they've done 28nm. They normally bring in new equipment, usually to a brand new fab and start refurbing old fabs, meaning they essentially bring up production much more quickly in two locations, this time they've decided to do 28nm exclusively in one uber fab, but its only partially finish so its kicking production in a piece at a time.
Thing is, I get it, and a very good reason for potential higher prices was the old CEO being fired and a new one having very different idea's.
But on the realistic quantities selling right now, likely quite a bit under 100k 7970's, an extra £100 profit(of which only half would probably end up with AMD) is probably barely worth 3-4million.
3-4million nothing to laugh at but in the terms of a 6billion or so turnover company, not massive either. Considering the "good will" AMD have had for not ripping off customers and the Nvidia sales/hurt/good will they could have gained for again undercutting Nvidia and offering great value, I'm not sure that few million, long term, is really worth it. But he knows, I don't.
Fact is a lot of people are buying anyway and a lot of people, me included are saying "not at that price, maybe in a few months". AMD will be making a bit more profit than usual, it only becomes a problem when you have for example 100k cards coming off the production line a month and you can only sell 70k of them due to prices.... if you have 100k produced a month, and you sell every last one, and demand is there for many more, reduced prices will only cut down your profit.
Unfortunately they are selling well...... if people had some balls and just refused to buy, prices would drop, its how the world works.
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Yeah, when you can overclock it and be over 100% faster in some games, over 70% in the worst games and average 80-85% faster, yeah, that's totally a last gen card.
Thye are £420 free delivery if you look around, so your not buying 2 because its £20 more than you want to pay???
well there is plenty of stock on every website of most brands and this is the first month of sale, thats got to be a failure unless they had them ready for months bulking stock up. Look when nvidias new cards come out there oos everywhere for ages
i ment 350 if you look at my post after that one
and thats £180 difference from ocuk as id want 2
Yeah, when you can overclock it and be over 100% faster in some games, over 70% in the worst games and average 80-85% faster, yeah, that's totally a last gen card.
Well to make myself clearer lets focus on the 7950. I don't see the 7950 being 100% faster than a GTX 580. It's quite disappointing really.
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I think this topic is about 7950, not 7970.Yeah, when you can overclock it and be over 100% faster in some games, over 70% in the worst games and average 80-85% faster, yeah, that's totally a last gen card.
Either way, AMD has launch their cards at the right time (beating Nvidia to the market) at the wrong pricings. By the time when Nvidia cards arrive, they might struggle to sell the 7950 for even £280, so they really should seize the current opportunite and sell them at £299, as it is the magic number of the price with the first figure going from 3 to 2, which might encourage people that only prepare to spend £200 ish on a graphic card to push for that target. Sales will increase, so if they can keep up the supply...why not? I mean look around...everywhere is barely shifting stock...it is kinda disappointing for a new product. Would they rather have supply exceed demand by far, and pushing the potential customers to the waiting zone to wait and see what Nvidia's gonna deliver?
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Caporegime
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Yup, that IS what they've been doing, you can't make 7970's without making 7950's, that is just the way it is. So for every 7970 that has been sold there has likely been as many as 3-4 7950's "put aside" for bigger launch, 6950 supply and sales volume smashes the 6970, the 570 same to the 580, the 5850 to the 5870, that is how it goes.
There is likely literally 50 times the 7950 supply at launch as there was for the 7970 so comparing them isn't remotely accurate. Likewise enthusiasts will be a little more particular in brand and card with the 7950 as they are all different. Waiting to hear about possible unlocking on some custom pcb version, which cooler is the quietest. The 7970 launch, all identical get what you get, doesn't matter.
Lets be REALLY clear, no card, EVER has had the lower binned model beat the previous gen OPPOSITION card or their own card by 100%, EVER. So that is where you come across ridiculous, truly ridiculous.
This card was ONLY EVER going to be 70-80% faster THAN THE 6970, the 580gtx was anything between 5 and 20% faster, maybe average 10-15%, you take this off that figure and find the 6970 at 70-80% scaling(which is all ANYONE has ever achieved from a new gen and is VERY GOOD) would still only be 55-70% faster than the 580gtx, and ONLY from the higher bin.
Now the thing is, an overclocked 7970 IS 50-70% faster than an OVERCLOCKED 580gtx. Hence, this is exactly the performance we expected, this is exactly the normal generation to generation performance capability and the only place it sucks is underclocked at stock, which, it does and it is.
There is no reason, at all, the 7970 should be 100% faster than a GTX580, no one from die hard AMD fanboy ever expected it, it wasn't a possibility and even the most die hard Nvidia fan would not expect it too either. Nvidia's card will not be 100% faster than the GTX580 either(except apparently physx games)but a card that started off with a 15% disadvantage should gain even more? The 5870 which everyone claimed as a superb card was not even close to 80% faster than a GTX285, it was 70-80% faster than a 4870, and around the 60% mark faster than the GTX285.
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Yes, however, as seen by his second post again he was refering to the whole new gen from AMD being a joke, expecting the 7950 to be 100% faster than the GTX580, lol.
As for the rest, again, you're assuming they are barely shifting and you are assuming there's massive supply. They don't have to sell out to sell faster than new stock comes in.
THe 7970 arrived at the begginning of Jan which mins minimum production started 6 weeks before there, likely somewhere between 8-10 weeks.... that is exactly how long the 7950 has been in production and in larger numbers than the 7970 most likely. Meaning the 7970 launched with say 10k worldwide supply and 10-15k coming in weekly, selling out was easy and new stock didn't cover much. THe 7950 is likely closer to the 100k mark worldwide supply, with a much larger number coming in weekly. It could sell 40k a week, 4 times as many as the 7970, and starting with 100k and getting 25k more a week.. it would still take 2 months before supply ran slightly dry. Completely different launch, completely incomparable.
Got a source for ANY of that information or are you just pulling it out of thin air?
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These cards would sell better if they had innovative features such as making older games look better somehow enhancing DX9 games with DX11 e.g. old DOS games made into Direct3D or the Voodoo5 first to force AA in old games or Radeon 8500 ability to increase polygon count to make 3D objects smoother.
The only game that is even remotely worth upgrading for is Doom 4. RTSs don't use much GPU power and every FPS is dumbed-down for consoles now e.g. BF3.
The only game that is even remotely worth upgrading for is Doom 4. RTSs don't use much GPU power and every FPS is dumbed-down for consoles now e.g. BF3.
Thats vastly harder than you make it out to be sadly. The only thing that "could" be forced in older games would be very high levels of transparency AA + standard AA. Tessellation is the only other thing which could potentially be coded as a general feature, but it would be buggy as hell and very slow.
he is pulling it out of his ****
if the 7970 was 70% faster than the gtx 580 it WOULD have sold at the price its at
What??? How can you say that. What DM says is ALWAYS true - lol!
If they were £299 I would have bought one yesterday, instead I've decided to wait.Hi there
Sales are there but I personally feel they could be better if AMD were say hitting £299 Inc for them.
But in response to your question they are moving at a steady pace, just not selling like hot cakes, but are certainly at no risk of not selling.
I would pay £300 for an MSI 7950 but I'm not paying £400 for a second tier card that may have direct competition soon. I'll wait and see what happens. That is said with enough saved up to buy a 7970, it's just too much for what you're getting IMO.
