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Gibbo are the 7950's actually selling?

Lemme see.

AMD released the 5870, sold out in a day, couldn't restock for weeks and in small numbers which sold out instantly again. Lots of upset punters, demand far outstripping supply.

Card too cheap, end of story.

AMD release 7970 and 7950 at a market researched price to maintain steady sales and stock levels when there are stories all over that 28nm fabs are supply constrained due to an aggressive competitor.

Card is unknown as to whether it is at correct price to sustain demand due to it only being a few days, but with OcUK saying restocking is a few weeks away I would hazard a guess it probably is.
 
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Yeah, when you can overclock it and be over 100% faster in some games, over 70% in the worst games and average 80-85% faster, yeah, that's totally a last gen card. :rolleyes:
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Without getting into an argument, it was you who did state that it can be OVER 100% faster in some games.
 
Thing is 5870 was 50% faster than GTX285, first to market with DX11 so it had a lot more going for it even if it were priced at 7970 levels.

7970 brings ~no new tech and only hits +20% over the 580, granted a great overclocker but also is 50% more expensive than the 5870 at launch.

It's no good comparing it to the 580 to justify it's price, that is also ridiculously priced thanks to Nvidia insisting high end GPUs have to cost over £400 at launch.

Hence the disappointment from people like me who were hoping to have a shiny new graphics card from AMD right about now but unfortunately 7970 isn't worth the upgrade if you are at the top end unlike the 5870. if the 7970 was £300, like the 5870, I probably would have gone for it.
 
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straxusii said:
Thing is 5870 was 50% faster than GTX285, first to market with DX11 so it had a lot more going for it even if it were priced at 7970 levels.

7970 brings ~no new tech and only hits +20% over the 580, granted a great overclocker but also is 50% more expensive than the 5870 at launch.

It's no good comparing it to the 580 to justify it's price, that is also ridiculously priced thanks to Nvidia insisting high end GPUs have to cost over £400 at launch.

Hence the disappointment from people like me who were hoping to have a shiny new graphics card from AMD right about now but unfortunately 7970 isn't worth the upgrade if you are at the top end unlike the 5870. if the 7970 was £300, like the 5870, I probably would have gone for it.
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Well said. Also, to use 5870's demand on launch as indicator for demand for 7950 is just crazy, as 5870 had such high demand only due to it was waving the "first to offer dx11 and faster than GTX285 by a large margin" flag, in contrast to 7950's 'look, we finally offer a card that's around the same level as GTX580 after over a year, and we are charge just as much money for it'

Also, there's nothing to suggest that 7950 supply is worse than 5870 back then.
 
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Lets be REALLY clear, no card, EVER has had the lower binned model beat the previous gen OPPOSITION card or their own card by 100%, EVER. So that is where you come across ridiculous, truly ridiculous.

This card was ONLY EVER going to be 70-80% faster THAN THE 6970, the 580gtx was anything between 5 and 20% faster, maybe average 10-15%, you take this off that figure and find the 6970 at 70-80% scaling(which is all ANYONE has ever achieved from a new gen and is VERY GOOD) would still only be 55-70% faster than the 580gtx, and ONLY from the higher bin.

Now the thing is, an overclocked 7970 IS 50-70% faster than an OVERCLOCKED 580gtx. Hence, this is exactly the performance we expected, this is exactly the normal generation to generation performance capability and the only place it sucks is underclocked at stock, which, it does and it is.

There is no reason, at all, the 7970 should be 100% faster than a GTX580, no one from die hard AMD fanboy ever expected it, it wasn't a possibility and even the most die hard Nvidia fan would not expect it too either. Nvidia's card will not be 100% faster than the GTX580 either(except apparently physx games)but a card that started off with a 15% disadvantage should gain even more? The 5870 which everyone claimed as a superb card was not even close to 80% faster than a GTX285, it was 70-80% faster than a 4870, and around the 60% mark faster than the GTX285.
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You have misunderstood my post. I never expected a 7950 to be 100% faster than a GTX 580, I was referring to the fact that you said the 7970 is 100% faster in some games when my post was focused on the 7950's capabilities.

So again to make myself absolutely clear I think the 7950 is quite disappointing for being next gen and not really being much faster than NVIDIA's top offering of the last generation.
 
£299 would have been the sweet spot for the 7950 and £399 for the 7970.

AMD are trying to claw as much as possible from the 79xx series before the new NV cards come out. They are pushing the "fastest single card" to try and tempt sales. The problem is there is to little gain from upgrading from the last gen of cards and most people that would be interested in upgrading have an AMD 69xx or NVIDIA 5xx and have realised it's not worth it unless you have uber res or multi screens.

AMD are trying to tempt too small market by pricing the cards so high. If the 7950 was £299 even I would have snapped one up and I imagine they would have sold a hell of a lot more.
 
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I just want to agree with the above that if if the 7950 was £299.99 I would have been really tempted to get one. But no way am I paying more than that. Happy with my 6870 until the 7870's are available and hoping they are nearer £200 on release.
 
I think these cards are more for the likes of me who own 1GB 5850 or others with 460/470, as the performace difference with 7970/50 is easily more than double coupled with 3 times the amount of vram.

However at current prices they are putting me off and forcing me to wait longer till kepler arrives and then see what the prices/performace will be like ;)
 
For the price you'd may as well get a 7970 not that they are particularly good value either, chosing to include 3GB of RAM has priced 79x0 out of the market for most people.
 
Personally in the market for 7970 so waiting ... waiting because I anticipate (and it doesn't take a genius) a price drop .... so the 7970 will retail at £380-399. I'm going to buy everything (including water blocks for the 7970/50 and buy the GPU's last, prob first week of March). This is the best price point for it IMHO.
 
WingZero30 said:
I think these cards are more for the likes of me who own 1GB 5850 or others with 460/470, as the performace difference with 7970/50 is easily more than double coupled with 3 times the amount of vram.

However at current prices they are putting me off and forcing me to wait longer till kepler arrives and then see what the prices/performace will be like ;)
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Indeed. The amount of extra performance of 7950 over the 5850 make sense, as it is the kinda of performance you would expect for people that replace their card every two gens at around £200 price point...but at £350, the performance increase simply isn't worth the premium of £130~£150 more.

Think about how GTX570 and 6970 with on par performance as GTX480 (the fastest card of the gen before) were available for under £300 (comparing to GTX480 at £380 before it dropped to EOL price) , and even with price, the sales volumn was nowhere as much as the 6950, and there simply isn't that many people willing to spend £300 or more on a graphic card alone.
 
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Maybe some people are forgetting / ignoring the fact that the GTX 580 3GB is ~£400, The HD7950 3GB can be had for £335, its as quick at stock speed, uses less power and so runs cooler and overclocks better for £65 less.... Not what I would call terrible value.

If the HD7950 3GB can sell for £335 then I expect we will see the HD7950 1.5GB for £280-£300.
 
iB CoMpL3XiTy said:
Maybe some people are forgetting / ignoring the fact that the GTX 580 3GB is ~£400, The HD7950 3GB can be had for £335, its as quick at stock speed, uses less power and so runs cooler and overclocks better for £65 less.... Not what I would call terrible value.

If the HD7950 3GB can sell for £335 then I expect we will see the HD7950 1.5GB for £280-£300.
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This works until the clever man at Nvidia drops the price of the 5 series Nvidia's last gen GPU that is competing with AMD's current gen one. AMD will be forced to re-think it's pricing and then Nvidia will throw another spanner in the works by releasing Kepler.
 
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Martini1991 said:
What's the lowest you see?
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The prices here at OCUK are pretty competitive!

No seriously! Especially for loyal forum member (next day delivery) + excellent CS (from my experience at least) makes prices on OCUK very very competitive. I would say the HIS on this weeks offer is one of the cheapest online!
 
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