Gibbo are the 7950's actually selling?

[Secret_Window]

but it would be nice if NVIDIA dropped pricing.

Yes! And if Nvidia finally drop their prices so will AMD. Had AMD had their prices low to begin with £299 or under for 7950 then we wouldn't be waiting on Nvidia. If Nvidia don't lower them until Kepler then it will be bad for everybody - even those wishing to buy cheap 570/580 because stock is so low.

 

[Menty]

I'll say it again for those that are having trouble grasping the concept of supply and demand.

THERE IS NO POINT SELLING OUT ON THE FIRST DAY IF YOU CANNOT RESTOCK FOR 4 WEEKS.

The trick is, and its what marketers get paid a lot of money for, is to try to gauge how quickly a product will sell compared to how quickly it can be provided. If you are selling out weeks before you can restock, then you are selling too cheap, if you still have a lot of left over stock when more comes in then you are too expensive.

As I've said, wait and let market forces do its thing, if prices are where they are in a few weeks then its safe to say AMD are happy with sales rates.

^^ Very true

Unfortunate for us the end user but that's how it is.

I'm still buying one anyway rather than wait, but that's my choice.

 

[555BUK]

Jesus christ, there's no point pricing stuff aggressively and selling out in a day if you can't restock.

Tell that to Apple who seem to have a reasonably successful business model. It took them several months before iPhone 4 and iPad2 stock was readily available after launch. In both cases they produced faster and fuller featured products, and launched them for the same price as the outgoing model.

Demand feeds demand. People desire things more, and are more likely to make an impulsive buy if they believe it won't be there for long. Selling out of stock is generally MUCH better tban not being able to sell stock.

It is simple Demand and Supply. Who remembers the fuel depot blockadesa a few years ago? Queues outside petrol stations streteched for miles because the perception was that supply would run out soon. Demand fed demand, prices went up, and supply dwindled. The 7900's lack demand and are not selling well. If this was not the case I am sure Gibbo and others would be telling us that they have shifted several hundred units today (like in the 5800 series days), and that you better get your orders in soon. Those words and competetive prices increased demand and severely strained supply.

AMD pricing will fall soon and fast. It does them no good whatsoever having thousands of cards stockpiled at the distributors because retailers cannot shift them. Whatever Gibbo says, I am sure he is also far from happy with AMD's current pricing.

Supply & Demand, simples. Limited supply pushes up prices, too much supply pushes down prices. Ideally, AMD would prefer high demand and slightly limited supply to keep prices high. At the moment AMD are clearly making more 7900's than they can sell, and pricing them higher than people are prepared to pay. Something has to give, and this invariably will be the price.

Just wait a few weeks and see.

 

[rubin1961]

Agree m8

 

[nitram100]

Long story short, because these prices aren't very good a lot of people including myself have decided to wait to see what Nvidia bring to the table. If the price had been about 40 quid cheaper then a lot of people including me, wouldn't have thought twice and just bought the card! Poor show AMD, I feel sorry for the retailers having to drop prices already to shift these things.

 

[wolvers]

Couldn't you sell your current card which would boost your budget a little?.

I've got two 5850s actually, with water blocks, so yeah I could sell those. TBH, I think it's more about what I am willing to spend in total, for the relative experience that I ultimately get from it.

Considering the 7970 is 3 week old tech and barely beats 12 month old tech its priced to high.

You need to forget about this age of tech thing. It's irrelevant to a GPU's price amongst it's competitors. And if it was relevant, it's Nvidia that should be lowering the price of it's older tech.

 

[tommybhoy]

I was speaking to someone yesterday who says he gets higher FPS with his GTX 580 than with his 7970 and says he wishes he never bought it.

I know you like team green but I just saw your mate running to work:

Ask him to slap a couple of big macs on for me, I'll get them when my throats better from the laughing, I had to wipe the tears away trying to write this.

I forgot how funny this place can be...

Tell him to leave the PC's to the big bhoys.

 

[wolvers]

AMD pricing will fall soon and fast. It does them no good whatsoever having thousands of cards stockpiled at the distributors because retailers cannot shift them.

It absolutely does do them good. They are selling, while the competing cards are not. If they sell out, then they've got nothing to sell!

If NV release a cheaper product, relative to performance, then they'll be forced to lower the price and they'll have stock still to meet a likely increase in demand. If Nvidia cards are more expensive, the AMD cards will look well priced and they have a choice to make. AMD are absolutely doing the right thing with their pricing right now. I don't like it, but I can see the reasoning.

 

[straxusii]

I was speaking to someone yesterday who says he gets higher FPS with his GTX 580 than with his 7970 and says he wishes he never bought it.

And here he is :

 

[kitch9]

Tell that to Apple who seem to have a reasonably successful business model. It took them several months before iPhone 4 and iPad2 stock was readily available after launch. In both cases they produced faster and fuller featured products, and launched them for the same price as the outgoing model.

Demand feeds demand. People desire things more, and are more likely to make an impulsive buy if they believe it won't be there for long. Selling out of stock is generally MUCH better tban not being able to sell stock.

It is simple Demand and Supply. Who remembers the fuel depot blockadesa a few years ago? Queues outside petrol stations streteched for miles because the perception was that supply would run out soon. Demand fed demand, prices went up, and supply dwindled. The 7900's lack demand and are not selling well. If this was not the case I am sure Gibbo and others would be telling us that they have shifted several hundred units today (like in the 5800 series days), and that you better get your orders in soon. Those words and competetive prices increased demand and severely strained supply.

AMD pricing will fall soon and fast. It does them no good whatsoever having thousands of cards stockpiled at the distributors because retailers cannot shift them. Whatever Gibbo says, I am sure he is also far from happy with AMD's current pricing.

Supply & Demand, simples. Limited supply pushes up prices, too much supply pushes down prices. Ideally, AMD would prefer high demand and slightly limited supply to keep prices high. At the moment AMD are clearly making more 7900's than they can sell, and pricing them higher than people are prepared to pay. Something has to give, and this invariably will be the price.

Just wait a few weeks and see.

Have AMD provided the second shipment? How do you know the are making more than they can sell? You better give them a ring as you must know more than they do!

iTards have been paying through the nose for under powered but pretty looking equipment for decades, I'm not sure it really proves your point.

 

[elmarko]

I'll wait till keplers out,

I'm not buying a graphics card when it's brand new when the competition is due out over the next couple of months.

I'll wait till I've got some reliable benchmarks comparing the £400-ish range cards & purchase accordingly.

At it's current performance I'd only pay £380 for the 7970 & £280 for the 7950 - the 6000 series should be £220 for 6970 & £160 for the 6950 by now.

If the 580 replacement looks tasty I think I'll get one.

But I definitely agree with the sentiment of the OP, I'd go out & purchase two 7970's right now if they were £380, by the time the prices come down I may go to a competitor.

 

[555BUK]

Have AMD provided the second shipment?

Yes, more stock arrives here and at other retailers every day.

How do you know the are making more than they can sell?

Simply because stock at all retailers is going up rather than down. This is very unusual after a new high-end product release.

You better give them a ring as you must know more than they do!

I am sure they will work it out for themselves.

iTards have been paying through the nose for under powered but pretty looking equipment for decades, I'm not sure it really proves your point.

Not many have paid £350 for the second tier card before. Sure some people will pay whatever the cost for the latest shiny new thing, but the majority want perceived or quantifiable value for money.

 

[kitch9]

Yes, more stock arrives here and at other retailers every day.

Simply because stock at all retailers is going up rather than down. This is very unusual after a new high-end product release.

I am sure they will work it out for themselves.

Not many have paid £350 for the second tier card before. Sure some people will pay whatever the cost for the latest shiny new thing, but the majority want perceived or quantifiable value for money.

Just so you know, there's not a conveyor belt direct from AMD to all the UK retailers which constantly provides stock.

Thats not how distribution works.

 

[555BUK]

Just so you know, there's not a conveyor belt direct from AMD to all the UK retailers which constantly provides stock.

Thats not how distribution works.

Thank you for pointing that out. I bow to you insight and obvious business acumen. Now please re-read all of the comments from previous pages and posts in context.

 

[easyrider]

If I dont see a price drop and I'm wrong I'll run naked across these forums with a banana in my ass

 

[Surveyor]

If I dont see a price drop and I'm wrong I'll run naked across these forums with a banana in my ass

What sort of time scale are you putting on the price drop?

 

[pugheaven]

What sort of time scale are you putting on the price drop?

And how bigs the banana?

 

[easyrider]

What sort of time scale are you putting on the price drop?

Before the End of FEB

 

[kitch9]

Thank you for pointing that out. I bow to you insight and obvious business acumen. Now please re-read all of the comments from previous pages and posts in context.

So why do you say AMD are restocking retailers daily?

 

[Surveyor]

Before the End of FEB

There's always going to be a few pounds variation over a period of weeks so what percentage or amount are we going to accept as a "price drop" and I assume this is going to be based on OcUK prices?