It's the Graduate Scheme which is actually an Area Manager.
http://www.graduates.aldirecruitment.co.uk/the_rewards/index.asp
http://www.graduates.aldirecruitment.co.uk/the_rewards/index.asp
this is really irking me
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Going after a sales job, meh, asides from the volatility in and around recession years, people always need food, they don't always need some sales guy trying to sell them crap and, its just as bad a job.
The way I'd view it is, 40k-62k, after uni, with debts, 3 years super hard work, sure you don't get a lot of free time off, but after 3 years, especially having not spent a lot of money with not much time off. Live somewhere crap and cheap, work like a dog, build up a very good deposit for a house, after 3 years you both, have 62k wage for the same hours, experience as a manager, the potential to move up in Aldi to better paying less "managerial crazy hours" type jobs, or use that wage and job as a starting point to get a job elsewhere.
Not many jobs offer that kind of salary increase over 3 years. Work hard but not "really" hard, start off on 25k, and be on 35-40k after 3 years and be the same as every other candidate going after new jobs. Or work a bit harder for 3 years, and find yourself as a more highly regarded employee, proven to work in a very stressful program, with a far higher salary to start negotiating from.
If I was 21-22, I'd jump at that.
Are you there at the moment? Mind if I drop you a message in trust? Applying for TCs at the moment (got a couple of vac scheme offers already from London firms), and wouldn't mind hearing about how you're finding Bingham.
God no, I wouldn't want anything to do with a job like that! Far too intense for my liking.
Manic111 if you email me via trust I wouldn't mind trying to answer any questions you have or help you with any forms etc, although I'm not actually a trainee solicitor at this moment in time.
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Aren't you the guy who is a security guard who is also scared of the dark and being alone in buildings? I'm not sure you should be scoffing at the other failures who did a degree of questionable merit.
Yes but sometimes you have to struggle through life to get where you want to get to. You can't always jump into a job your going to love, you need experience, life skills, job skills etc.
Sometimes going for something crap like this helps.
Yes but sometimes you have to struggle through life to get where you want to get to. You can't always jump into a job your going to love, you need experience, life skills, job skills etc.
Sometimes going for something crap like this helps.
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Yeah, for all the people that drop out, you look better. If you're afraid of hard work, don't do it. But that is the point, if few people get the job and even fewer people actually finish the job, that will say something about you. Yeah, working those hours for life would be horrific, but fresh out of uni, no place to live, no savings and, young and having lots of energy.
There are worse ways to relatively speaking fast track your career, and thousands of jobs that would take 10 years of work to get to the same kind of wage, millions of jobs that will NEVER hit 60k a year, 3 years hard work.
There are worse ways to relatively speaking fast track your career, and thousands of jobs that would take 10 years of work to get to the same kind of wage, millions of jobs that will NEVER hit 60k a year, 3 years hard work.
It's not so much being afraid of hard work as it is being afraid of not having a life.
Put it this way, there is a very prestigious law firm called Clifford Chance. They have a swimming pool, beds and as far as I'm aware medical personal on site. Why is this? Because you're not expected to leave the office.
This self-sustaining culture of 'personal satisfaction is achievable after maximum stress by doing really well in every exam and getting the best jobs and all the promotions' is simply insane. It confuses happiness with relief.
Money doesn't make me happy, so I'd rather take a 50% pay cut, still take home a fairy decent wage and actually be able to live my life.
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It' worse than that as these are area management trainees not store managers. 200 new recruits every year to look after 40 areas where those current area managers won;t have reached the boardroom for 5 years.
You either get a massive dropout from the training program or once through, you get loads of people leaving their £60k jobs as it's too much for them.
I think he is thinking more of B2B sales/ presales which is actually more than just haranguing people into buying something. Companies always need to buy *something* It is well paid, but there is a good reason- decent sales people are hard to find.
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I am a security guard yes, don't recall mentioning that I was scared of the dark or being alone in buildings so I don't know where that came from.
Regarding questionable merit? How successful do you think any business would be without advertising? companies like Apple, Mcdonalds and Coca Cola spend millions on advertising every year because if they didn't advertise then the competition would be number one. The only reason these companies are number one, is brand awareness, loyalty and reputation, hardly something you get without advertising is it
If you can get on to a grad scheme, grad schemes are only interested in grades, which means if you only got a 3rd you can't even get on any of them.
Admittedly you don't need a degree to do advertising/marketing but it helps, it shows that you didn't just fall into it and that you have a general interest in the industry, thus you should be better at the job than someone who did aerospace engineering.
Marketing, to me at least is as much about personality as it is about whats on your CV, creativity is not something you can get across on a 2 page description of yourself, its only when you're actually on a project that creativity flows, well in my case.
...probably why I'm struggling to even get into marketing in the first place, everybody wants experience, but nobody is willing to give you a chance
Hmmmm my gf has just got a £42k marketing job and her experience is zero, ziltch, nothing.........
Just saying that although experience helps its not the be all and end all
On the other hand, I imagine his degree did put him in good stead as it demonstrated his commitment to his interests and allowed him to demonstrate some fundemental skills that are associated with that area. Furthermore I think people should be entitled to study what they are interested in.
Hmmmm my gf has just got a £42k marketing job and her experience is zero, ziltch, nothing.........
Just saying that although experience helps its not the be all and end all
Jealous and extremely annoyed!
Don't suppose by "marketing job" you mean promo girl? lol
Don't suppose you're going to give away the company name either?
I must be doing something very wrong, I've had 3-4 interviews every month for 2 years and I can't get a job in marketing lol
Jealous and extremely annoyed!
Don't suppose by "marketing job" you mean promo girl? lol
Don't suppose you're going to give away the company name either?
I must be doing something very wrong, I've had 3-4 interviews every month for 2 years and I can't get a job in marketing lol
Nope, "proper" marketing job. SOrry.
Don't give up and keep trying. She had lots of interviews over 9 months in finding a job although this was the only marketing job she went for bizarrely as it's not her area of expertise yet it was the one she got.