Margaret Thatcher...why the hate?

PermaBanned said:
Is this thread inspired by the film, perchance? :rolleyes:
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Erm no. I have not seen the film, although I would like to.

Please dont spoil it though.

Here you left these.... :rolleyes:

My point still stands. Most people dislike Tony Blair, but the reactions to Thatcher are ridiculous.

People say things like they would dance on her grave, or have a street party when she dies.... wtf..?

Edit:- from what I can gather we had no real finance industry in the UK, before she opened up the market. Although my knowledge on this is poor.
 
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She made cuts affecting people who failed to comprehend that the life they were living was simple unsustainable. Bitterness ensued.
 
arctine said:
You're not supposed to feed the troll.
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It has the making of a decent thread, I really can't see anything 'troll' about it except your posts.

arctine said:
Anyone I've asked said they dislike her due to the mining stuff.
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I had many friends & family who were Miners and when I say many I mean in the 100s.
Stoke On Trent was a major mining City at the time and every person I knew would have gone back to work but weren't allowed.
Many of them became Blacklegs and went back to work because not 1p was coming into the house BUT those who were 'in' with the Unions were having backhanders to carry on striking.
Miners were already earning an indecent amount of money compared to their friends working in factories but wanted a 47% rise if I remember correct.
I thought she did an excellent job sticking to her principles.
 
steve-h said:
I wouldn't mind knowing about her just so I can have an opinion on the matter...
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Here you go: Coal mining was the major industry in many regions and Thatcher destroyed it. Many of the mines shouldn't have survived for as long as they did, but the Tories were happy to pull the plug and let the former workers rot because they weren't likely to vote Tory. No serious effort was made to help the workers retrain (not that any other sector could have absorbed the huge number of redundant workers) or attract new industry to the regions as Thatcher was solely focused on financial services, which only helped the south.

This left a generation of workers unable to get worthwhile work, so they went on the dole. Their children then grew up in homes were unemployment was the norm, creating the 'workshy' generation that Tories never stop complaining about.
 
Well thatcher kinda made britian a joke i think in the 80s and stuff i.e no jobs and closed mines down and all sorts. The poor hated her the rich probably didnt.

All i remember when growing up in the 80s is a little rhyme.

Theres maggie thatcher throw her up and catch her squish squash squish squash theres maggie thatcher. Used to be this thing u did with ur hands, i cant remember the whole thing but that was the jist of what u say lol.

I know the NE didnt like her one bit, duno about other regions.

Had posted a link to Oz from Auf Wiedersehen Pet ranting about maggie thatcher going through customs but i had to remove it due to some nudity lol. Still if anyone has AWP go watch it and understand a bit of why the hate against MT. Or find it on utube SMlj86jdK0A.
 
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easyrider said:
No


feeble female morons is BS too

You're out of your depth and I will have fun tossing you about in my mouth like a shark.

Next
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spot the loner who is drunk in front of their PC on a Friday night.

Its ok, life will get better. Well it might not for you, but I thought I would give you hope!

Now, back onto Margaret Thatcher. Seeing peoples differing reactions is extremely interesting.
 
She was a tyrannical despot. the Tories getting voted to power in 1979 was the worst thing to happen to this country since The Black Death. :eek:
 
So many people are far too opinionated about this to take a realistic approach...

She stole our milk. Bad.

She privatised quite a few industries. I'm not getting into the good/bad debate, I used to think it was awful, but having looked into it more, and understanding the theory more, I'm not so sure.

She butchered half the unions. Admittedly, Murdoch and the Wapping Dispute helped significantly here, but yeah, she did a lot of damage to Unions. In my mind. This is a good thing. I'm not going to bother arguing it. But plenty of people hate this.

She centralised the Conservative Party. What?! No?! Did I really just say that. Yes. It's part of what got her so much support, and Blair doing it with the Labour Party is what got him a lot of support. What's more, Miliband going in the other direction to the left rather than staying central, is what'll lose him the next election so long as Cameron can do a half decent job and not alienate the whole country (well technically about a third of the country...)

From 1979-90 she greatly increased spending on Law and Order, Employment, Healthcare, Social Security. Admittedly at the cost of housing, transport, trade and industry and defence. But hell, seems like a lot of good prioritisation there...

She made some great speeches, and did fantastic things for showing Women could be successful.

She let people buy their council houses.

Generally, she had good and bad parts, every PM does. But considering she got about 4 hours sleep a night, I think she could have done a lot worse of a job...

Oh, and the Queen has a lot of respect for her, but thinks she's a bit odd :)

Make your own opinion up. I don't care frankly, but at least make sure you look at both sides of the coin first before haring down some opinionated clap-trap view.

kd
 
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I know people around my age and younger (25) that have this attitude towards Thatcher. No idea where they have got it from but it seems extremely irrational. Fair enough if you lived through the tough times and her government changed things for worse for your particular area, but to have the hatred passed down the generations :/ It's all a big bandwagon in some areas.
 
SKYNHEDD said:
spot the loner who is drunk in front of their PC on a Friday night.

Its ok, life will get better. Well it might not for you, but I thought I would give you hope!

Now, back onto Margaret Thatcher. Seeing peoples differing reactions is extremely interesting.
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This post is banal

Void
 
King Damager said:
So many people are far too opinionated about this to take a realistic approach...

She stole our milk. Bad.
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Yeah, a bit of an over-reaction - labour did remove free milk for the older kids some years before iirc.

King Damager said:
She privatised quite a few industries. I'm not getting into the good/bad debate, I used to think it was awful, but having looked into it more, and understanding the theory more, I'm not so sure.
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Having worked in those industry's I can tell you that you get to enjoy these massive energy bills partly due to this choice, it was a terrible decision & anybody who uses a train has experience first hand how that side of it went.

King Damager said:
She butchered half the unions. Admittedly, Murdoch and the Wapping Dispute helped significantly here, but yeah, she did a lot of damage to Unions. In my mind. This is a good thing. I'm not going to bother arguing it. .
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Unions have done more for the working man than any other organisation in the last 100 years, this isn't an opion - so I wont bother arguing about that either (see, we can all do that).

Besides, we have managed to royally **** up this economy without any unions to point the finger at.

King Damager said:
She centralised the Conservative Party. What?! No?! Did I really just say that. Yes. It's part of what got her so much support, and Blair doing it with the Labour Party is what got him a lot of support..
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King Damager said:
From 1979-90 she greatly increased spending on Law and Order, Employment, Healthcare, Social Security. Admittedly at the cost of housing, transport, trade and industry and defence. But hell, seems like a lot of good prioritisation there....
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Housing, transport trade & industry - all of which we are suffering for now.

King Damager said:
She made some great speeches, and did fantastic things for showing Women could be successful.
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Subjective, but she did show women that they can be as brutal & heartless as there male counterparts (Which is progress in a fashion)

King Damager said:
She let people buy their council houses.
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Without replacing the housing stock, that was great idea (NOT - borat voice)

King Damager said:
Generally, she had good and bad parts, every PM does. But considering she got about 4 hours sleep a night, I think she could have done a lot worse of a job....
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I'm struggling to find the good parts - besides you are ignoring her biggest flaws.

Deregulating the financial industry & the massive preference to the city of London over our manufacturing base.

King Damager said:
Oh, and the Queen has a lot of respect for her, but thinks she's a bit odd :)

kd
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Urgh, the Queen.... flag wavers.... Lol.
 
Dare I say it.....

She had no understanding of Northern Ireland (and by that I mean what the army were sent to do - or what the people of Northen Ireland were like - or how to actually chat to them as part of her country - or actually negotiate things)

As the top cat minister of her country - she had no understanding of what people were actually going through at the time - if they didn't live within 50 miles of London - and considering the unemployment rate - the fact she put 2/3 of all British miners out of work (comparing them to the Argentinian enemy in her wonderful BBC nesw speech)
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