Have to disagree, at least when at Reading Doyle and Hunt were perfect players for a team such as Wolves, also O'Hara is of the same mold. You know exactly what your going to get, a lot of hard work, which is exactly what a lower half of the prem team needs.
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Have to disagree, at least when at Reading Doyle and Hunt were perfect players for a team such as Wolves, also O'Hara is of the same mold. You know exactly what your going to get, a lot of hard work, which is exactly what a lower half of the prem team needs.
from what i've seen of o'hara and hunt, they can do ok if they get played in the right positions and have the right players around them.
frimpong springs to mind, he added a lot to their midfield in the few games he played, and hes the sort of player o'hara needs to allow him to get forward.
if you tend to play a 5 midfield like mm seemed to prefer you need support players like frimpong and he never seemed to get 1.
that's more than i thought you'd spent.
shame to see mcarthy go as he is a good egg. however, wolves have been appauling for a year now and he must have seen it coming (did he actually resign) as it's sacking form.
wolves, bolton, wigan to be relegated methinks.
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Most of these players are good players, and when Wolves gel well and play together as a team we can produce excellent football and win games. It just seems that MM cannot get them fired on all cylinders for the past 3months.
If you was the manager, who would you have signed? You have to remember that the lower down teams in the premiership struggle to attract the big names.
Milijas is a work horse who creates play in midfield. O'Hara and Jarvis are great wingers when they can get fed the ball well. And Fletcher goalscoring record dismisses your arguement.
I'm not saying I would/could have signed better players for that sort of money.
I look at teams like Sunderland who were struggling under Steve Bruce, but with better players than Wolves, and that is a good example of where a change of management can do some good. I just don't see that scenario at Wolves because the majority of the players either average or workhorses. Saying that, they did look at lot better with Frimpong in there, but I just don't think the cash was made available to Mick to properly strengthen the midfield and defence.
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Maybe you are right, with regards the the money front. Which is made even worse as Morgan and Moxey decided that expanding the staduim capacity was a better idea. However when we are back in the Championship we will struggle to get 30,000 seats full most the time.
Wolves stayed up by the skin of their teeth last season and their points tally the season before (although good enough to stay up comfortably that year) would have seen them relegated last season, they are still very much a yo-yo team in my view.
IMO it's a big gamble for them sacking a proven Championship manager for the dream of staying in the Premier League.
IMO it's a big gamble for them sacking a proven Championship manager for the dream of staying in the Premier League.
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Wolves needs a lot more than a new manager.Whoever comes in will need to work with their hands tied behind their back especially when it comes to transfers and dealing with Moxey, Not only that they'll be working with the coaching staff who has been here since Dave Jones/Hoddle. The less said about our scouting network the better.
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Tony Daley lol, what a legend!
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Just looked and it seems we only have 4 first team coach's at the club which can't be right.
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Full list, taken from The Wolves website.
ASSISTANT MANAGER - TERRY CONNOR
HEAD OF FIRST TEAM ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE - TONY DALEY
GOALKEEPING COACH - PAT MOUNTAIN
ANDY MULLINER - GOALKEEPING COACH
DEVELOPMENT COACH - STEVE WEAVER
CHIEF SCOUT - DAVE BOWMAN
KEVIN THELWELL - ACADEMY MANAGER
MICK HALSALL - ASSISTANT ACADEMY MANAGER
GARETH PROSSER - ASSISTANT ACADEMY MANAGER U'9-U'16/TECHNICAL DIRECTOR
DARREN RYAN - ACADEMY COACH UNDER 12s-16s
MARC CAMPBELL - ACADEMY TECHNICAL DEVELOPMENT OFFICER (8-12)
ASSISTANT MANAGER - TERRY CONNOR
HEAD OF FIRST TEAM ATHLETIC PERFORMANCE - TONY DALEY
GOALKEEPING COACH - PAT MOUNTAIN
ANDY MULLINER - GOALKEEPING COACH
DEVELOPMENT COACH - STEVE WEAVER
CHIEF SCOUT - DAVE BOWMAN
KEVIN THELWELL - ACADEMY MANAGER
MICK HALSALL - ASSISTANT ACADEMY MANAGER
GARETH PROSSER - ASSISTANT ACADEMY MANAGER U'9-U'16/TECHNICAL DIRECTOR
DARREN RYAN - ACADEMY COACH UNDER 12s-16s
MARC CAMPBELL - ACADEMY TECHNICAL DEVELOPMENT OFFICER (8-12)
For me sacking him was the right move, but a little too late.
In an ideal world he would have gone sooner, and we'd have got Martin O'Neill instead of him going to Sunderland. Given the plans Wolves have (extensive ground development which includes a leisure complex on the old Tarmac site near the ground, and a new training ground and academy complex at Compton Park), and O'Neill still living in the Midlands after his time at Villa, I like to think it would have been possible to attract him.
Alas, Mick is not unlikable and the loyalty works both ways....I feel the owner has shown rather more patience than the fans. To me though many of Micks signings seem odd, as well as team selection and tactics.
At times his transfer strategy seems baffling, look at the players he brought in to boost the quality of the squad, who he signed then never gave a proper run in the team! Nenad Millijas (who costs ~2.6 million and was signed on a four year deal), Adlene Guedioura (~2 million on a 3 year deal).
Now Adlene has had his injuries, sure, but neither player has consistently had a regular run in the team. Instead McCarthy persisted with the likes of Henry, Ward, Foley. Why did he sign the others if they were to warm the bench all the while?
Let us mention Steven Mouyokolo, signed on a four year deal, who is on loan with Sochaux in Belgium...he has made just 4 apperances in gold and black, yet cost £2.5 million!
How about Freddy Eastwood, the notorious 1.5 million signing, bought from Southend, who only had 10 starts in his 35 appearances. He left after rarely even making the subs bench. Mick said of him 'It's nothing personal, but it hasn't worked out how either of us would have liked. He hasn't fitted into my team but he wants to play and will do well elsewhere. We wish him luck'. Why did you buy him for 1.5 million quid then Mick, if he doesnt fit in with your team?
Lets look at the purchases made in the Mccarthy era:
Jamie O'Hara - £5,000,000
Roger Johnson - £7,000,000
Dorus De Vries - Free
Eggert Jonsson - £200,000
Steven Fletcher - £6,500,000
Stephen Hunt - £3,000,000
Steven Mouyokolo - £2,500,000
Jelle van Damme - £2,500,000 (signed on a 3 year deal in June 2010, with an option for another, made just 6 appearances for Wolves before moving on by Jan 2011)
Jake Cassidy - Undisclosed
Adam Hammill - £500,000
Adriano Basso - Free
Kevin Doyle - £6,500,000
Nenad Milijas - £2,600,000
Andrew Surman - £1,200,000 (signed on a 3 year dea, with an option for another...went on to make just 9 appearances in the first team
, now plays for Norwich and scored against us last year!)
Marcus Hahnemann - Free
Greg Halford - £2,000,000
Ronald Zubar - £1,500,000
Stefan Maierhofer - Signed
Stephen Elliott - Signed
Michael Gray - Free
Kevin Foley - Signed
Jemal Johnson- Free
Sylvan Ebanks-Blake - £1,500,000
David Edwards - £675,000
David Edwards - £675,000
George Elokobi - Signed
Sam Vokes - Signed
Richard Stearman - Signed
If we go back further we see McCarthy signed the likes of Ward, Henry, Kightly, and Keogh....since the time he came, until his departure today, the playing squad has been built entirely of players that he has signed. How many of these players can be considered as good enough for the Premier League? And how much money has been spent/wasted on players who never got a regular run in the team, and/or never made the grade?
In an ideal world he would have gone sooner, and we'd have got Martin O'Neill instead of him going to Sunderland. Given the plans Wolves have (extensive ground development which includes a leisure complex on the old Tarmac site near the ground, and a new training ground and academy complex at Compton Park), and O'Neill still living in the Midlands after his time at Villa, I like to think it would have been possible to attract him.
Alas, Mick is not unlikable and the loyalty works both ways....I feel the owner has shown rather more patience than the fans. To me though many of Micks signings seem odd, as well as team selection and tactics.
At times his transfer strategy seems baffling, look at the players he brought in to boost the quality of the squad, who he signed then never gave a proper run in the team! Nenad Millijas (who costs ~2.6 million and was signed on a four year deal), Adlene Guedioura (~2 million on a 3 year deal).
Now Adlene has had his injuries, sure, but neither player has consistently had a regular run in the team. Instead McCarthy persisted with the likes of Henry, Ward, Foley. Why did he sign the others if they were to warm the bench all the while?
Let us mention Steven Mouyokolo, signed on a four year deal, who is on loan with Sochaux in Belgium...he has made just 4 apperances in gold and black, yet cost £2.5 million!
How about Freddy Eastwood, the notorious 1.5 million signing, bought from Southend, who only had 10 starts in his 35 appearances. He left after rarely even making the subs bench. Mick said of him 'It's nothing personal, but it hasn't worked out how either of us would have liked. He hasn't fitted into my team but he wants to play and will do well elsewhere. We wish him luck'. Why did you buy him for 1.5 million quid then Mick, if he doesnt fit in with your team?
Lets look at the purchases made in the Mccarthy era:
Jamie O'Hara - £5,000,000
Roger Johnson - £7,000,000
Dorus De Vries - Free
Eggert Jonsson - £200,000
Steven Fletcher - £6,500,000
Stephen Hunt - £3,000,000
Steven Mouyokolo - £2,500,000
Jelle van Damme - £2,500,000 (signed on a 3 year deal in June 2010, with an option for another, made just 6 appearances for Wolves before moving on by Jan 2011)
Jake Cassidy - Undisclosed
Adam Hammill - £500,000
Adriano Basso - Free
Kevin Doyle - £6,500,000
Nenad Milijas - £2,600,000
Andrew Surman - £1,200,000 (signed on a 3 year dea, with an option for another...went on to make just 9 appearances in the first team
, now plays for Norwich and scored against us last year!) Marcus Hahnemann - Free
Greg Halford - £2,000,000
Ronald Zubar - £1,500,000
Stefan Maierhofer - Signed
Stephen Elliott - Signed
Michael Gray - Free
Kevin Foley - Signed
Jemal Johnson- Free
Sylvan Ebanks-Blake - £1,500,000
David Edwards - £675,000
David Edwards - £675,000
George Elokobi - Signed
Sam Vokes - Signed
Richard Stearman - Signed
If we go back further we see McCarthy signed the likes of Ward, Henry, Kightly, and Keogh....since the time he came, until his departure today, the playing squad has been built entirely of players that he has signed. How many of these players can be considered as good enough for the Premier League? And how much money has been spent/wasted on players who never got a regular run in the team, and/or never made the grade?
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If Wolves were prepared to gamble with going down and trying to keep their squad intact, I'd suggest they take a chance on Simon Grayson. Can't see it though, they'll want someone with PL experience. Curbs is as good a shout as anyone for that, I guess.
Would actually love this.
Would actually love this.
Wouldn't wish Ken Bates on anyone. Well, except maybe Colin.
Providing Morgan backs them, you'd fancy them to get promoted relatively quickly if they were to go down.
If they felt they were going down under McCarthy then the potential rewards of staying up far outweigh the risk imo.
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I wasn't aware Curbishley had a 'calibre' beyond what he has to have on him when walking through East London.Steve Morgan [URL=http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/20876/7518924/Morgan-keen-on-Curbishley](via SSN)[/URL] said:
Feel a bit for Mick as he's a nice guy, he's from my neck of the woods and at times he got Wolves playing some good football.
Not sure who they'll bring in, seems a bit odd to sack a manager after the January window has closed.
Not sure who they'll bring in, seems a bit odd to sack a manager after the January window has closed.
Sorry but I think the signings Mick did were OK considering the budget he had to work with. Remember that Man U, Man C, Chelsea etc. spend more money on one player than Mick has had to spend on the entire squad for the last few years.
Nothing but free transfers and sub £6 million players and he's taken Wolves into the premiership and kept them there, and I'm sure his wage budget is tight also. I think that's quite impressive in the modern game. Look at the players teams like QPR have brought in this season...
For that sort of money there is always either going to be an element of risk, and old player, or just an average player, hence the low pricetag. You've got to spend at least £10 million now to buy a proven quality player, and even then there's no guarantee that they will settle in at the club or do well.