Carb free diet?

edscdk said:
I lost 6 stone ish in under a year with no real effort or will power...
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Good work :)

But on the other side of the argument, I lost 4 stone in 4 1/2 months while still eating 250+ grams of carbs

Didn't drop carbs very low until after that

Lead_Head said:
Well if you need a case study for your portfolio let me know!!
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More than happy to help mate :)
 
edscdk said:
for me personally I lost weight very fast on a low carb diet...

really its a way to loose weight short term...

I lost 6stone ish on low carb eating as much as I wanted in under a year.....

its so easy (well for me) I could not believe I was eating what seemed (almost) normally and loosing so much weight people who had not seen me for a few weeks would notice...

I avoided too much red meat and pretty much had a diet of chicken, fish green salad, veg (non root) nuts as a snack and lots of fizzy water...
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The only reason is because you were eating less calories, as such your body was using other sources to get energy from. You undoubtedly lost lean muscle mass too - unless of course you went of a full ketogenic style diet which I doubt. If you eat the same calories irrespective of whether they are carbs or not you won't lose weight. Sure you change your body composition, but that's about it.

Ultimately as SMed said:

SMed said:
Well, you'll have to eat fewer carbs, and calories in general, to lose weight. Simply switching the type of carb, without altering overall calories, will not lead to weight loss, unless the new carbs don't taste as nice and therefore you don't eat as much overall.
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Freefaller said:
The only reason is because you were eating less calories, as such your body was using other sources to get energy from. You undoubtedly lost lean muscle mass too - unless of course you went of a full ketogenic style diet which I doubt. If you eat the same calories irrespective of whether they are carbs or not you won't lose weight. Sure you change your body composition, but that's about it.
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I'm a big fan of Keto diets with a refeed day once/fortnightly.
For me Low carb diet like this drop body fat quick and find the diet real easy to stick too, a struggle to over eat ! if its not below 30g carbs a day its not low carb.

Plus
+ Strength stays up - even goes up while negative maintenance calories
+ Never hungry - Actually hard to hit maintenance when your full of protein/fat and a fibre supplement!
+ Lose more body fat than muscle
+ Never crave anything sweet
+ Never tired (but never have loads energy / sugar rush etc )

Negatives
- Breath really stinks, I mean really
- Getting used to drinking more water as body does not hold it now
- Feel bad on reefed day & just after ( I end up hating eating sugary carbs)
- Have to take a fibre supplement
- If you not done keto first time first 2 weeks can be hard / headaches etc as body adapts

My diet atm

Meal # 1: 5 whole omega-3 eggs or 3 bacon 1 egg + spinach
Meal # 2: PWO SHAKE 2 scoops protein + 20g natural peanut butter
Meal # 3: 240g chicken with 50g raw almonds.
Meal # 4: 200g fish with 200g asparagus/broccoli
Meal # 5: 40g whey protein with 20g natural peanut butter or 3 eggs / quark

For me low carb works well, very well
I will have before and after photos in about 6 more weeks I make sure I put them up for any nay sayers :)

edit - lost a good 6 kg (inc water weight) with strength going up 5 weeks into this cut so far ,all that with no cardio so far, going to add some at very end of my cut.
 
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We're not saying it doesn't work, we're just saying it's pointless, and you can get just as many results by eating a well balanced diet. Eating the right things in the right quantities works better than cycling silly diets. :)
 
Squid said:
I'm a big fan of Keto diets with a refeed day once/fortnightly.
For me Low carb diet like this drop body fat quick and find the diet real easy to stick too, a struggle to over eat ! if its not below 30g carbs a day its not low carb.
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Yeah, this is what I keep alluding to. It is difficult to overeat on these diets, and this is why they "work".
 
I did this diet and list 2.5 stone quickly. It is by far the best diet to do in terms of losing weight in the quickest amount of time.

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Me and freefaller have been through this already, haven't we! :P
 
Izi said:
I did this diet and list 2.5 stone quickly. It is by far the best diet to do in terms of losing weight in the quickest amount of time.

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Me and freefaller have been through this already, haven't we! :P
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;)

And we agreed it works - but it's not a long term solution. Eating the right carbs and eating the right calories to sustain weight loss is all you need ;)

Great work though - well done mate :)
 
The issue is a balance diet should be the norm, I was so unaware that food I thought was reasonable was full salt and sugar.

Personally cutting 200 - 500 kcal off normal diet is harder as the food is not restricted. Its as much mental as I don't crave the sugar anymore not like a normal diet , if I cheat on keto I'm out of keto so what's the point ?

I've lose more fat and less muscle on Keto than the same Kcal on balanced low GI Carb Diet of 40 /40 / 20.(p/c/f)

Cyclic ketogenic diet best for cutting body fat IMO
after that for 12 weeks I'll go back to balanced diet to maintain.

low carb works for more people as they become aware of all the processed sugars/carbs and crap in there food.

I wouldn't bulk on keto. But freefaller have you tried keto ?
 
Why would I try keto? There's absolutely no need for it. I've been losing fat and gaining LBM whenever I have wanted to, doing what I do - so have no reason for it. :)

I just don't diet. I eat well, day in day out, month in month out, year in year out, eating a good balance of carbs, fibres, proteins and fats. And have been for the past 31+ years! I just don't need to do anything else. What I do is spot on. :)
 
Same here. I'd much rather have a balanced and varied diet.

I think I tend to eat less carbs by default (probably less than 200g/day) and I will go through phases of eating even less, but going to the extreme of a very low carb diet isn't worth the hassle for me.
 
keto diets are just another tool - people here big up IF or lots small meals but low carbs seems to be a no no, If you've not tried it cant claim its rubbish. The same way you cant say HIIT is better than steady state cardio just different tools that people can use.

As for the OP GF, If she want a life style change to permanently keep the weight she would lose from coming back do it like freefaller suggests, want a quick fix that's not permanent carry on low carb, it come off fast but come back fast when add carbs back in if you don't change your eating habits.
 
Well because I actually know the science behind it and know what the body prefers... also, in terms of cardio vs HIIT - for fat loss one is best, for cardio fitness one is better. It really is that simple.

As for the keto diet, you've just admitted yourself it comes back quickly if you don't change your eating habits. How about, just changing your lifestyle, so you don't have to worry about macros and eating specific items, and just eat well all the time? It so much easier.

Without wanting to sound arrogant, and I know it already does, I do have a bit of a clue as to what I'm doing. I never claimed it's rubbish, I claimed that as a lifestyle it is untenable and just not necessary. It works, it's plain biology, however, the effort put into it could be used to just life a healthier lifestyle from the outset. :) I feel the same way about IF. It's just another way of calorie management, nothing more.

Go with whatever works for you - for me, it's too much of a faff. :) There is no right or wrong way - however, to be honest, lifestyle change is more important than diet - there's more to lifestyle than just food intake ;)
 
Squid said:
keto diets are just another tool - people here big up IF or lots small meals but low carbs seems to be a no no, If you've not tried it cant claim its rubbish. The same way you cant say HIIT is better than steady state cardio just different tools that people can use.

As for the OP GF, If she want a life style change to permanently keep the weight she would lose from coming back do it like freefaller suggests, want a quick fix that's not permanent carry on low carb, it come off fast but come back fast when add carbs back in if you don't change your eating habits.
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That is simply untrue. It's like saying if I haven't tried homeopathy I can't say it's rubbish. We know homeopathy is rubbish because the science has been exhaustively done. The trials on low-carb diets have been done too, there is an initial weight loss advantage as 1) you lose water and 2) you've cut out a major source of calories that aren't being replaced.

So yes, short term there is an advantage. Medium-term there is no advantage when calories are matched. And long-term there is no advantage because no one sticks to it long-term.

There's no advantage to 'lots of small meals' either, "stoking the fire of metabolism" is a myth. And last I checked, IF is just another way to eat fewer calories.

This is the same with all diets. They are means to distract you from eating fewer calories. Some people are distracted better by some diets than others. So if you find a method of distraction that works for you (ie you eat fewer calories), then stick with it, be it low-carb, low-fat, IF, raw-food, vegan whatever. Even low carb is probably better than being morbidly obese.
 
Freefaller said:
also, in terms of cardio vs HIIT - for fat loss one is best, for cardio fitness one is better. It really is that simple.
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This is debatable ;) assuming you're talking about the "other" one.

A guy who coaches rowing with my bother did his master's thesis on it. There is certainly a place for steady state cardio, but it's more complicated that it seems.
 
Freefaller said:
Well because I actually know the science behind it and know what the body prefers... also, in terms of cardio vs HIIT - for fat loss one is best, for cardio fitness one is better. It really is that simple.

As for the keto diet, you've just admitted yourself it comes back quickly if you don't change your eating habits. How about, just changing your lifestyle, so you don't have to worry about macros and eating specific items, and just eat well all the time? It so much easier.

Without wanting to sound arrogant, and I know it already does, I do have a bit of a clue as to what I'm doing. I never claimed it's rubbish, I claimed that as a lifestyle it is untenable and just not necessary. It works, it's plain biology, however, the effort put into it could be used to just life a healthier lifestyle from the outset. :) I feel the same way about IF. It's just another way of calorie management, nothing more.

Go with whatever works for you - for me, it's too much of a faff. :) There is no right or wrong way - however, to be honest, lifestyle change is more important than diet - there's more to lifestyle than just food intake ;)
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I don't think your arrogant I know you know what your doing your just putting across your views and experiences, you know what works for you and it clearly works well. I'm just offering my opinion on the low carbs thread as for my body it seems to work better than other options (tired lots). For me a calorie reduced diet is a short time thing 6-12 weeks. When I do this I found Keto works for me. My normal food is very balanced nowadays as i realised all the rubbish that's hidden in processed food.

lifestyle change is more important than diet
-Totally agree
 
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