Horrific and Cruel or Science and Necessary Evolution?

Genetically engineered colossal chickens the size of dinosaurs. Let them roam on the Isle of man.
 
In a sense, why bother? I can see the upside to space saving and 4 fold increase in production, but in a logical sense (like you describe) who cares if the animal suffers.
Suffering may have an effect on the meat, but in the bigger picture it effects nothing else except our ego's. Chickens, dogs, cats, humans, every living thing on earth is stuck on a endless timeline where our emotional states mean nothing, just because something has a brain doesn't make it any less a collection of matter, which will recycle into the endless randomness of the universe.

I hear you all screaming "how would you like it!", well frankly I wouldn't but once I was meat in a sandwich my likes and dislikes would be irrelevant, so why is the present I'm suffering in any more relevant than the future I'm not?
 
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Other than to stop eating meat methods like this will be a necessity in the next 50 years or whatever the latest doom mongers have predicted.

It doesn't bother me much, cheap chicken is cheap chicken whether grown in a test-tube or in a Large Hadron Chickenator.
 
Dr.EM said:
A bizarre solution to a problem that should never have existed. There should never have been such a vast human population placing such huge demands for meat production.

I'll stick to my free range farmed chickens and eggs. I'd rather eat real food when I'm able to and eat vegetarian or some other alternative the rest of the time, rather than lots of dubiously farmed meat products.
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stuman said:
exactly. or otherwise in the end we will be having a cerebral cortex removed to stop suffering just because people still wanted to squeeze out a few sprogs. chemical castration and birth licences 1 child per human pair. quality not quantity etc...
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I assume the two of you will be committing suicide shortly then?

After all you consume vastly more resources than people in other countries.

also stuman will you be castrating yourself if not up for the suicide?
 
Meat is too cheap these days, people need to realise that lower prices forces lower standards of welfare., something always has to give somewhere.

People should be paying £5 minimum per chicken, giving better standards of life.
 
Funnily enough I was wondering, after reading the lab grown pork story, how long it'd take before they just genetically engineer "animals" that have no intelligence, no senses, and have the sole purpose of being consumed without having enjoyed any sort of quality of life. Walking badgs of meat, basically.

Makes me feel a bit sick really.
 
TaKeN said:
Meat is too cheap these days, people need to realise that lower prices forces lower standards of welfare., something always has to give somewhere.

People should be paying £5 minimum per chicken, giving better standards of life.
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What's the point of a standard of life for something destined to die. The meat in my stomach produces the same amount of energy whether it was happy or sad!! Paying for the emotional state of my sandwich is illogical?
 
[Damien];21321875 said:
So long as you're happy spending £15 on a couple of chicken breasts.
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What are you on about?

Its £4.40 in tescos for 2 free range chicken boobs at the moment.

As said, meat is another product thats been devalued, everyone just wants cheap cheap cheap all the time, I earn hardly anything but still manage to buy decent meat from animals which have had an enjoyable life, its the least I can do if im going to eat them.
 
Tefal said:
I assume the two of you will be committing suicide shortly then?

After all you consume vastly more resources than people in other countries.

also stuman will you be castrating yourself if not up for the suicide?
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I didn't suggest any solution, but to deny that a huge number of current issues faced by humanity are due to overpopulation would be naive. I at least won't be contributing to the issue by having offspring.
 
Johno please? said:
What are you on about?

Its £4.40 in tescos for 2 free range chicken boobs at the moment.

As said, meat is another product thats been devalued, everyone just wants cheap cheap cheap all the time, I earn hardly anything but still manage to buy decent meat, from animals which have had an enjoyable life, its the least I can do if im going to eat them.
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What a waste of money to make you feel better, think they'd rather not be dead but if it makes you feel better then I'm sure if they could thank you, they would....:rolleyes:
 
This will be the future.

It's necessary. We can't not produce enough meat protein to satisfy the world population in the next 10 years with our current method of doing things. This doesn't just apply to field farm livestock but also fish stock as well.

People who insist on only buying 'organic' 'natural' food are a big problem. They actually think the development of livestock animals came out of magic or something. They forget humans have been artificially molding animal livestock for many thousands of years (anybody love their 'organic' Aberdeen Angus steaks, by any chance?) A lot of perceived 'natural' foods are far from it. Like the banana.

And population control will only slow down the problem, not solve it - unless you mean to wipe out half the planet population and force people to forgo post industrial era technology.

And everybody posting on this forum are a contributing to this problem a lot more than a huge majority of the rest of the world. I bet if we took out the entire population of the UK, it would have much greater impact to the the amount of resources consumed than if we took out all of South America. We in the UK consume a ridiculous amount of resources just by living here.
 
In terms of sheer practicality, meat quality and biosafety I very much doubt this will happen. Cultured meat seems like a much better solution on every measure.
 
Dr.EM said:
I didn't suggest any solution, but to deny that a huge number of current issues faced by humanity are due to overpopulation would be naive. I at least won't be contributing to the issue by having offspring.
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well no they arn't due to over population, they're mostly due to uneven distribution of resources.


if you removed the developed countries/made them consume the same as the undeveloped countries you'd have enough resources for far far more people than there currently are.
 
Seeing as how we aren't stopping the massive rise in population of us humans we are going to have to do something about meat production. There simply won't be enough space to produce meat soon.

So it's either give up meat/vastlyreduce the amount we eat or come up with some way of farming meat in a humane way. Vertical chicken farms would help.

Personally I'd rather see vertical city farms growing vegetables locally rather than ones flown in from the other side of the world.
 
If stem cell technology could be advanced enough to grow a huge square shaped lump of chicken breast muscle. Would peoples general consensus be that this is wrong? Or would people think like me that if its has the same molecule structure as chicken breast basically mean that where it came from is irrelevant.
 
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