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Had my 1st defeat tonight 
Not only that I went without conceding in 4 games to concede 5 in the 5th one, think my defence must have just not turned up!!
Still though, 2nd in the league and only one point behind chelsea still so hopefully back to winning ways against manchester united
Not only that I went without conceding in 4 games to concede 5 in the 5th one, think my defence must have just not turned up!!Still though, 2nd in the league and only one point behind chelsea still so hopefully back to winning ways against manchester united
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Had my 1st defeat tonight
Still though, 2nd in the league and only one point behind chelsea still so hopefully back to winning ways against manchester united
looks like we (the top 3) did not fare too well, everyone is gunning for us, i don't know how we drew peanut's looking at the strength of my team, the fact i had more possession, shots and on target, etc.
guess i was unlucky
Yeah, I don't know why Lloris didn't play. I thought I'd made the switch, but I guess I didn't save it. Turns out it didn't matter as I won and kept a clean sheet anyway
The problem is Sonny, it's the way you go about things. Who is going to want to take loans off you in the future if you just recall without any sort of communicaton. You had a couple of tired players, it's not like you had a striker crisis. It sounds like poor forethought on your behalf by sending too many players out on loan.
If you recall Lloris from me the same way you did on Tim then yeah, I'd be annoyed and I certainly wouldn't be taking any more players from you again as it's obvious you can't be relied upon.
The deal wasn't all that great either, don't kid yourself, it's not like they are 95 rated players. Plus on top of that you wanted someone to take what was essentially a backup player in Cahill. In fact all three would have been a backup in my squad.... and I'm Celtic!
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with the cup games starting i now need players, before i never needed them. so i decided to loan them out mainly they were there to help out inferior teams with an average rating below 90.
i dont see what difference it makes, you had the use of my players for games, whether you play them or not is up to you. i didn't need them at that time but now with the cup starting i only have enough players to cover league matches only, or else i will need to play 75-78 rated players.
i take the hit on not being able to play the player and his fitness goes down so even if i do recall them, i need to rest them before i can use them.
don't see what you guy's are crying about, people regularly loan out players for 1 match, etc.
when we used to play this at my work and you needed a player for a match, you asked other work mates if you could borrow one, they told you what you had spare and you took that player on loan for 1 match, so your first choice got a rest or his suspension/injury was gone.
effectively i loaned out my players because i didnt need them, now i need them so i can re-call them if need be.
some teams have already sent players back, i dont know why Bayern took Klebher in the first place, an 87 rated player when their average rating is above 90, but thanks for taking him and not playing him in any games.
i did not force anyone to take these loans, i did not put a gun to anyone's head. i said i have these players available for loan if anyone needs them.
i did not under any circumstance say you could keep the player forever, obviously when my team needed resting or players got injured or suspended they would have been automatically re-called.
it's a game, im simply being efficient with my funds and squad.
didn't see Tim complaining when he got to use a 35.5M forward/winger for essentially nothing, you honestly think i paid all that cash for these players to simply let others use them?
luckily GK's don't need to be rested that much, so i may never need to re-call Lloris unless Cech gets injured, your getting to use a 20 million pound player for essentially free, i would be happy with that
i dont see what difference it makes, you had the use of my players for games, whether you play them or not is up to you. i didn't need them at that time but now with the cup starting i only have enough players to cover league matches only, or else i will need to play 75-78 rated players.
i take the hit on not being able to play the player and his fitness goes down so even if i do recall them, i need to rest them before i can use them.
don't see what you guy's are crying about, people regularly loan out players for 1 match, etc.
when we used to play this at my work and you needed a player for a match, you asked other work mates if you could borrow one, they told you what you had spare and you took that player on loan for 1 match, so your first choice got a rest or his suspension/injury was gone.
effectively i loaned out my players because i didnt need them, now i need them so i can re-call them if need be.
some teams have already sent players back, i dont know why Bayern took Klebher in the first place, an 87 rated player when their average rating is above 90, but thanks for taking him and not playing him in any games.
i did not force anyone to take these loans, i did not put a gun to anyone's head. i said i have these players available for loan if anyone needs them.
i did not under any circumstance say you could keep the player forever, obviously when my team needed resting or players got injured or suspended they would have been automatically re-called.
it's a game, im simply being efficient with my funds and squad.
didn't see Tim complaining when he got to use a 35.5M forward/winger for essentially nothing, you honestly think i paid all that cash for these players to simply let others use them?
luckily GK's don't need to be rested that much, so i may never need to re-call Lloris unless Cech gets injured, your getting to use a 20 million pound player for essentially free, i would be happy with that
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Well at that point I didn't know transfers/loans automatically went through without any confirmation. I needed a backup to my first choice but that was before I signed Dameio, which is why I've sent him back to you.
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No you paid it to stop others getting them, then panicked about wages and started doing deals with people to take them plus two others to reduce your wage bill.
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so essentially, it's okay for players to loan players when they need them and send them back when they don't without notice and not the other way round?
lol funny one that ain't it
i don't care, you paid his wages, i didn't need him, we both won in the end
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it does not matter if you cannot afford to pay wages, i said this right at the start, i have a master plan, which shall be unveiled shortly
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*Starts Petition for Bevy to remove Chelsea from the league*
i could see why you would want to remove the team that is top of the league
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so essentially, it's okay for players to loan players when they need them and send them back when they don't without notice and not the other way round?
lol funny one that ain't it
i don't care, you paid his wages, i didn't need him, we both won in the end
Well as the game doesn't allow a clause for recall/non recall like FM then yes. Besides I think you'll find I never said it wasn't ok for you to recall them.
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yeah i know, i was just stating that if people think what i did was wrong then obviously the above is wrong too in their eyes.
loans in this game are different to loans in FM, people need to realise that.
if i no longer need Neymar and Jovetic in the future, i would loan them out to anyone who needs them.
some points for you all
Debt
Clubs can become saddled with debt due to financial mismanagement or a poor business model.
If a club is in debt, the Chairman will not sack their current manager nor will they force them to sell any of the club's players. However, the Chairman will take measures to prevent the club going into further debt by not sanctioning the purchase of any new signings.
It is also worth noting that if a club is in debt, then they will not enter into administration nor will they be forced to declare bankruptcy.
If a club is in debt, then it is up to their manager to review their financial management and business model in order to improve the club's finances and clear it's debt.
Chairman Investment
Your Chairman will always invest cash to ensure that your clubs 'net worth' (cash player values) is never less than 50% of the average club in your league. This ensures smaller clubs 'net worth' will not be too far behind the bigger clubs in your league. If you don't receive an investment from your Chairman then this is due to your clubs ‘net worth’ being greater than 50% of the average club in your league
(So ideally if your a small club, it doesn't matter if you overpay for players, the chairman will equal that out come next season)
Club attendances work as described below:
Clubs that get promoted will have their attendances increase towards the average of the new division.
Clubs that get relegated will have their attendances decrease towards the average of the new division.
Promoted clubs will have their stadiums gradually built bigger, towards the average attendance of the new division (see Stadium Building).
More fans will come as you tend towards the top of the league, and less fans will come when you tend towards the bottom of the league.
Stadium Building
'Stadium Building' is a feature in which your current stadium capacity is increased if your Chairman believes their club currently do not have an adequate sized stadium to compete successfully within its current division.
Why have Stadium Building?
Managers who decide to take on certain clubs in lower leagues are at a disadvantage if they achieve success on the pitch and climb up through the divisions. This is purely because their stadium size will restrict them off the pitch and they can not compete financially with clubs with bigger stadiums. A solution to this problem is to allow a club to raise the capacity of their stadium, then in essence you are allowing them to compete off the pitch with their more illustrious neighbours.
You can understand the need for 'Stadium Building' as there is nothing more frustrating then getting a team with a small stadium from Division 4 all the way to Division 1 and then struggle financially. This is why those of you who mange certain clubs in the lower divisions (along with clubs certain clubs in the Gold Championships) will benefit from ‘Stadium Building’ as it should help you financially.
How do you increase your stadiums capacity?
Your Chairman will make a decision at the end of the season whether to increase the ground capacity of the stadium and this will be based on a number of factors including current capacity and division. You can not access a feature called stadium building or request to increase your stadium capacity as the decision is solely down to your Chairman. This is because the Chairman will look after the best interests of the club and leave you to get on with managing the day to day aspects of the club. It will also mean that clubs will not end up with unrealistic stadiums within their Game World.
At the start of the new season if the Chairman decides to increase your capacity then you will receive a message within your Club Messages stating the new increase in capacity (which takes immediate effect). Your Chairman will pay for this increase in capacity and it will not effect your clubs balance.
Your club is not just limited to one increase and your Chairman can increase it again (and again if needed) based on the factors already mentioned. However, your Chairman will not increase your current capacity if they believe that the stadium is already at an adequate size to compete successfully within your current division.
Due to this clubs can have a different stadium capacities across different Game Worlds depending on how long the Game World has been running, their original stadium capacity and current division.
Loan Blocked
The SMFA will block any loan that they deem unusual or dubious. Their decision is aided by our Automated Transfer Monitoring System (ATMS) and is not personal or a judgement on you. The loan could have been blocked for a variety of reasons such as issues with one or more of the managers accounts. If you feel the loan is fair and there are no issues with your account then the problem may be with the other managers account which the SMFA cannot discuss.
Loans
In some cases if your fiances are tight you might wish to loan a player from another club to cover for injuries or suspensions, to improve your squad or due to lack of funds. Alternatively you might wish to place one of your players on the loan list to loan him out to a smaller club to gain experience, to get an out of favor player off the wage bill or to keep the player happy with some regular football.
Initiating a Loan
There are several different ways in which you can approach to loan a player. You can approach to loan players directly either by clicking on a squad or player name anywhere in the game or using the find club/player search to search for a particular player. All you need to do is enter part of the players surname or part of the club name you know he currently plays for. You can access the loan list to find out which player(s) have been put on the loan list. Players on the loan list are often players that are not required by their club for one reason or another, and therefore they should be easier to loan then if you were to approach a club directly for a player. If you find a player you wish to make an offer for then you will need to place a loan offer for him. However, you cannot loan players from unmanaged or external clubs and you can only have 3 players on loan in your squad at any one time.In order to make an offer, click on the players name to access his Player Profile and then on Make Loan Bid.
Loan Outcome
When you submit an offer for any player you will have to wait until the other manager accepts or declines your bid before you find out if you have been successful or not. If you wish to withdraw an offer at any time before the player moves club click on the player's name to access his Player Profile and click on the Transfer/Loan Bids tab before clicking on Withdraw Offer. To find out if your deal has been successful or not you will have to view your Club Messages as you will be notified if you offer has been accepted or rejected. If the deal has been accepted then the loan is completed straightaway.
Loaning Out a Player
There will probably be numerous reasons why you would want to loan out a player, such as to gain experience, to get out an of favor player off the wage bill or to keep the player happy with some regular football. The easiest way to loan out a player is by placing him on the loan list. You can loan out as many players as you desire as long as your squad does not fall below the minimum squad size of 21. However, your Chairman will not let you loan at your best players (which are those that they class as key payers or are deemed to be part of your first team). To place a player on the loan list simply click on the player's name to access his Player Profile, then select Transfer Status followed by Loan List and then on the Confirm Transfer Status button. Your player will then be placed on the loan list. You will be informed on any offers in your message screen within your Club Message. Once an offer has come in click on the Respond link next to the message and respond to the offer. You could accept or decline the loan offer. If you click on Accept the player will automatically go out on loan and leave your squad. If you click on Reject you will be asked to select the reason why you are rejecting this loan offer. You will have a choice of several pre-set transfer responses to choose from within the drop down box, and once you have selected the most appropriate reason you will need to click on the Reject Offer button to action it. The reason for rejecting the transfer offer will then be displayed within both clubs Club Messages.
Terminating a Loan
If you wish to recall your loaned out player on loan then simply click on the player's name to access his Player Profile, then select Recall and the player will automatically return to your squad. Alternatively, if you wish to terminate the loan then simply click on the player's name to access his Player Profile, then select Terminate Loan and the player will automatically return to his parent club.
Please note that you will be unable to recall any player that starts out on loan within a new Game World until the end of the season as they are on a season long permanent loan.
Cup-Tied
Cup-tied is an adjective, used in football, to describe a player who is ineligible to play in a knockout cup competition after transferring from another club during that competition.
Application
Within Soccer Manager a player will become cup-tied dependent on the competition and type of Game World that your are participating in. This prevents a strong team from gaining an unfair advantage by signing talented players from clubs that may have lost out in earlier rounds, in an attempt to increase their cup chances.
The rule applies to individual cup competitions, in that a player who plays in the English Cup, but not the English Shield, is cup-tied only in the former competition. If the player signs for a new club in the same season, he is eligible for the English Shield but not the English Cup.
Examples
The following examples are in reference to the Gold Championship game worlds.
Domestic Cup Tied
Any player who makes an appearance for a club at any stage of one of the domestic cup competitions within one of the national leagues is cup tied for all future matches during that season in the same competition. This means that if the player transfers clubs during the same season he will not be eligible to represent his new club in that competition for the duration of the season in that national league.
For example a player represents club "x" in the Italian Cup and then transfers to club "y" within the Italian League. The player in question will be cup-tied in relation to the Italian Cup but will be eligible to represent his new club in the Italian Shield. If a player represents club "x" in the Italian Cup and then transfers to club "y" within the Spanish League. The player in question will not be cup-tied in relation to the Spanish Cup and he will also be eligible to represent his new club in the Spanish Shield.
SMFA Shield Tied
Any player who makes an appearance for a club at any stage of the SMFA Shield is cup-tied for all future matches during that season in the same competition. This means that if the player transfers clubs during the same season he will not be eligible to represent his new club in that competition for the duration of the season.
For example a player represents club "x" in the SMFA Shield and then transfers to club "y". The player in question will be cup-tied in relation to the SMFA Shield for the duration of the tournament.
SMFA Cup Tied
Any player who makes an appearance for a club at any stage of the SMFA Cup is cup-tied for all future matches during that season in the same competition. This means that if the player transfers clubs during the same season he will not be eligible to represent his new club in that competition for the duration of the season. However, the cup-tied status is removed after the group stages and he is eligible to represent another club unless he makes further appearances during the knock-out stages.
For example a player represents club "x" in the SMFA Cup and then transfers to club y during the group stages. The player in question will be cup-tied in relation to the SMFA Cup for the duration of the group stage, and will be eligible to represent his new club during the knock-out stages. Or a player represents club "x" in the SMFA Cup during the knock-out stages and then transfers to club "y". The player in question will be cup-tied in relation to the SMFA Cup for the duration of the tournament.
if you have a player out on loan, and he gets played in a cup game, essentially makes him cup tied, something i do not want to happen to any of my players for obvious reasons
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"There will probably be numerous reasons why you would want to loan out a player, such as to gain experience"
This bit jumped out at me...how exactly do players gain experience? I thought ratings were all decided by real life form and voting?
This bit jumped out at me...how exactly do players gain experience? I thought ratings were all decided by real life form and voting?
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no, experience is gained by regular play, age and time at "parent" club, etc
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And that affects the player rating? So is the player database changes (the +1, -1 business) seperate to that?
For example:
Say Eto'o starts at 94, real life form means he gets a minus 1 drop to 93, but because he's playing regularly for you he might have a +2 in your league on top of this?
For example:
Say Eto'o starts at 94, real life form means he gets a minus 1 drop to 93, but because he's playing regularly for you he might have a +2 in your league on top of this?
No, the ratings are purely down to real world situations. I don't know how experience can be gained by playing in game as it's based on the real world, probably just a fallacy to add more depth to the game.
Yep, but proper depth not fallacy depth.