The tolerant Catholic Church

I believe in God,

Excellent start!

I just don't understand why anybody would get up early on a sunday to hear about how they're gong to hell and how they can only have sex if they plan on having a kid out of it

don't kill people
don't rape people
don't steal stuff
don't cheat on thy girlfiend

Thats my religion

I think you have a poor understanding of most certainly the Catholic Church. I think you are in need of some catechesis.
 
I think you have a poor understanding of most certainly the Catholic Church. I think you are in need of some catechesis.

No thanks to that Catechesis stuff, any religion that has rapey priests is not something I want to be a part of.

Officially I'm a Christian, but I don't go to church or pray to god, I go to work, I eat/sleep and drink alcohol, religion has no place in my existance
 
No thanks to that Catechesis stuff, any religion that has rapey priests is not something I want to be a part of.

Officially I'm a Christian, but I don't go to church or pray to god, I go to work, I eat/sleep and drink alcohol, religion has no place in my existance

This country has rapists and murderers - maybe go to another country as well?
 
Well then your not a Christian..

I was Christened, so I am a Christian, am I not? at least until the Jovo witnesses come-a-knocking, then I slaughter lambs and carve Pentagrams into my arm on weekends lol

This country has rapists and murderers - maybe go to another country as well?

This is a discussion about religion, where I chose to live has nothing to do with religion
 
No we don't have to differentiate what sex you marry, why should we?

Because there is a massive difference...no?

Maybe because one can procreate and the other not, i think that’s enough of a difference to differentiate between the two.

Just as you differentiate between things is everyday life, a car is a car and a bike is a bike whilst both being vehicles.
 
I was Christened, so I am a Christian, am I not?



This is a discussion about religion, where I chose to live has nothing to do with religion

Just because you are Christened it doesn't mean you are Christian. To be a Christian you have to at least somewhat belief in Christianity.
 
Nature decided a man and woman are needed to procreate, Mother Nature knows best.

Does it? To go forward to your last point... nature made genetic abnormalities. Nature knows best!

I would like to class humans above mindless beasts.

By imposing a "right and wrong" way of doing things that only hurts and judges people?

As research shows homosexual behaviour in the lab mice was due to a genetic abnormalities, something unnatural.

How is that 'unnatural'? And why is 'unnatural' bad?
 
Because there is a massive difference...no?

Maybe because one can procreate and the other not, i think that’s enough of a difference to differentiate between the two.

Just as you differentiate between things is everyday life, a car is a car and a bike is a bike whilst both being vehicles.

So what about men/men marriage and women/women marriage, should we have terms to differentiate between them? Even if there is a difference, there is no need to differentiate. Just because there is a difference in two things, it doesn't mean they can't be described as the same thing. We could just have terms under marriage if needed, but we don't.
 
I was Christened, so I am a Christian, am I not? at least until the Jovo witnesses come-a-knocking, then I slaughter lambs and carve Pentagrams into my arm on weekends lol



This is a discussion about religion, where I chose to live has nothing to do with religion

I think it has everything to do with your point.

You don't want to be a part of any religion that has as you put it "rapey priests". Well if that is such a concern you might want to leave the country.

A very small number of Catholic Priests have been guilty of abuse. However they are very much the minority.

A small number of English people are guilty of sex abuse.

Neither fact should have any bearing on the majority. Are all English people rapists because a small number are? No, of course not, that would be a silly thing to say.
 
You seem to be confusing the Church and individuals within the Church.

Just because a small percentage of priests have been guilty of abuse doesn't mean they all were. I have read figures as low as 0.12% of clergy (when using convictions) and as high as 6% (using all accusations and including consensual adult relationships)

Even using the highest figures still means that 19 out of every 20 priests had no involvement in any abuse.

This thread isn't even related to abuse and yet still a number of posters have felt the need to come out with their own ignorant and hate filled comments. Pure bigotry.

This.



The Church has stated that homosexual desires or attractions themselves are not necessarily sinful. They are said to be "disordered" in the sense that they tempt one to do something that is sinful (i.e., the homosexual act), but temptations beyond one's control are not considered sinful in and of themselves. For this reason, while the Church does oppose attempts to legitimize same-gender sexual acts, it also urges respect and love for those who do experience same-sex attractions; thus the Catholic Church is also opposed to persecutions and violence against persons with same-sex attractions:

The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

The church has also issued a statement that "urges States to do away with criminal penalties against homosexual persons", calling it "grave violations of human rights." It opposes all forms of violence against homosexual people and believes it should be confronted at all levels, but especially at the state level.

For those who do experience same-sex attractions and identify themselves with a homosexual orientation, the Catholic Church offers the following counsel:
Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection
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So what about men/men marriage and women/women marriage, should we have terms to differentiate between them? Even if there is a difference, there is no need to differentiate. Just because there is a difference in two things, it doesn't mean they can't be described as the same thing. We could just have terms under marriage if needed, but we don't.

That's just stupid, even though two things are different we should just ignore them all call them the same?

Might as well start calling a lettuce a cucumber then, since they are both vegetables.

And maybe yes to the first question, maybe there should be 3 different types.
 
Still doesn't mean you are Christian, you sound like a Deist.

Wow, ok I'm a Deist then, I've never heard of that before, I've always defined myself as a "Relaxed-Christian"

I think it has everything to do with your point

The mass media has labelled Catholic Priests as crazy pedos, not something I any interest in, parts of the religion just baffle me, it might as well be Scientology

You don't want to be a part of any religion that has as you put it "rapey priests". Well if that is such a concern you might want to leave the country

Don't be silly
 
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That's just stupid, even though two things are different we should just ignore them all call them the same?

Might as well start calling a lettuce a cucumber then, since they are both vegetables.

They can come under the term of marriage, marriage being a term to describe the unity of two people. Then if needed which is not actually needed, we could have sub terms such as gay marriage or lesbian marriage. I don't see why they can't fall under marriage.
 
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