Sick and tierd of smokers near children's play areas.
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I'm a smoker but never smoke around children. I also only smoke outdoors and tend not to smoke near non-smokers but if I do I stand downwind of them and blow the smoke away from them make sure as much as possible that the smoke doesn't end up in their faces. After a fag at work, I wash my hands and face afterwards and spray some mint mouth freshener. I know I still smell like an ash tray but it's not half as bad as someone who takes their last drag, walks into a building or bus and exhales all their fumes inside; that really gets on my nerves.
Whinge whinge whinge, if you live in a place like London that's worse for your baby than a man with a fag passing by.
Get a grip...
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html
Just a quick google but it's well known people who live unhealthy cost the tax payer less in healthcare, especially because they live shorter. Add taxes and duty's for tobacco which they pay a lot.
Then again, on the other side there is potential loss of productivity at work, but still, for healthcare alone, unhealthy people cost less.
You can ask nicely but damn, how can you get wound up over something like this ? People are free to smoke, go live in N-Korea if you want dictatorship...
And in general, finding smokers or fat people offensive
? How do you get on in life, like erm, do you ever go out ?
Get a grip...
Except he dies sooner and costs thousands less in his life in healthcare than a non smoker...You'll take it all out again when you visit the NHS for your cancerous lungs.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/05/health/05iht-obese.1.9748884.html
Just a quick google but it's well known people who live unhealthy cost the tax payer less in healthcare, especially because they live shorter. Add taxes and duty's for tobacco which they pay a lot.
Then again, on the other side there is potential loss of productivity at work, but still, for healthcare alone, unhealthy people cost less.
You can ask nicely but damn, how can you get wound up over something like this ? People are free to smoke, go live in N-Korea if you want dictatorship...
And in general, finding smokers or fat people offensive
? How do you get on in life, like erm, do you ever go out ?
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Do you have a source for that?
Cleaned your nose after a walk in London for a day ?
It's black, I've never been in such a polluted place, even after a night of going out in a club where people smoke it's not as black as after a day in London...
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For example:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/24/london-air-pollution-european-law
or
http://www.theecologist.org/News/ne...h_timebomb_for_londons_deprived_children.html
Okay 2nd link is a bit left winged, but still, you get the point, pretty easy to find...
Not exactly rocket science, children from large cities ( and people in general living in urban area's) have a shorter life expectancy.
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It would be if it was at all common, but it isn't. Hardly any smokers give a toss about anyone else, partly because smoking is such a routine part of their lives that they don't even notice it any more and partly because they choose a couple of dozen times a day to feed their drug habit in the way that has the worst adverse effects on anyone within range. That choice is not very compatible with giving a toss about other people, obviously.
Yeah, and people whine far more about anything, NIMBY whiners are worse every year, anti social this anti social that, littering this speeding that noise this, people need to take a chill pill and stop the authoritarian BS on others. If someone has a real condition like asthma I understand why one could whine about smoke, but seriously, making a whole drama about a bit of smoke ? People don't grant/allow each other freedom or a bit of fun these days... In a way whining about someone a meter away having a smoke is not exactly social either, only think about yourself in a way. The street is not only for non smokers...
You are forgetting that in a free country, if someone wants to have a smoke, he/she has every right just as you have the right to decide not to, erm, drive a 8.2l Cadillac Eldorado and pollute the air with it or do whatever hobby which might not be so great for the planet or others...
It has to come from 2 sides, some of you sound like smokers or fatties or whoever are evil and you are better than them. You get treated as you treat people usually, I don't think most smokers have a problem with moving a bit if someone asks them to politely.
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You are wrong.
All smell is particulate. It's how smell works. Whatever you smell, you are inhaling it. The smell is not separate from the smoke. Smell is not a special force or it's own type of particle - when you smell anything it's because you're inhaling some of that thing. If you smell smoke, it's because you're inhaling smoke. If you smell faeces, it's because you are inhaling faeces. If you smell x, it's because you're inhaling x (or a specific substance that you associate with x, e.g. the pungent gas added to natural gas to make it easily detected).
So you'd have no objection to me spraying you with a mist of my urine simply because I want to do so, right?
If not, why not? Everything you've just written applies equally well to me spraying you with a mist of urine. So if you believe it, you should believe it.
Although urine isn't as bad as tobacco smoke, since it doesn't stink and it's harmless. I can't think of anything comparable off the top of my head.
Now you're going to dismiss this post because you have no counter-argument to it. You'll just rely on the fact that one is legal and the other one isn't. You won't be able to give any reason why it should be that way and you won't even try, because you know you can't. Your only courses of action are ignoring the point or using ad hominem. Which are you going to choose?
Yeah, but how is it any different from walking in central London in rush hour ?
Or crossing a busy congested road in a cloud of diesel soot ?
You think walking past a couple of smokers pollutes you and your clothes anywhere near as much as a mist of urine ? Please...
It's not like someone is breathing out his smoke in your face, which could be comparable I guess ?
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There is nothing wrong in treating people on the basis of their actions. You are trying to make it out as being like treating people on the basis of some irrelevant aspect of biology they were born with, like skin colour.
Try this for size:
It has to come from 2 sides, some of you sound like burglars or pickpockets or whoever are evil and you are better than them. You get treated as you treat people usually, I don't think most burglars have a problem with burgling another house if someone asks them to politely.
It's recreational drug use deliberately done in a way that adversely affects other people even though there are various other ways to take the drug that do not. So yes, it is different to the use of vehicles, which is essential to modern society.
Not anywhere near as much. More. You are so used to one of those forms of pollution that you no longer notice it. If people sprayed you with a fine mist of urine a dozen times a day, you'd get equally used to that and wouldn't notice it either.
You still haven't explained why a mist of a less smelly and harmless substance is so much worse than a mist of a more smelly and dangerous substance.
No that is subjective.
Don't get me wrong if anyone if a car fanatic then I am, but modern society (with cars and such) is not at all essential for life, not any more than having a smoke. Certainly not having an erm, Ferrari 599 over a simple Vaux Corsa... The corsa will bring you from a to b just as well with less polluting. Is that a reason to ban the Ferrari ? Nope.
So, if you no longer notice it, then what's the problem ? I have a hard time believing you won't notice it if you are being sprayed with your urine. I can smell tobacco on people, but don't care, unless I'm in a smokers room I can't recall ever smelling like smoke myself.
Because pee isn't a recreational drug and I can't see someone not out of their mind enjoying spraying people with pee, unlike smokers who enjoy their fag...
This is retarded.
You are probably the only person in the world who has ever said they'd rather be sprayed with **** than passively smoke.
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Tbh if your worried about the health effects of very short exposures to passive smoking you really need to chill out.
If taken in context with all other risk factors of say developing cancer, background radiation, petrol fumes, other carcinogens in the environment and food / diet e.g processed meat etc
I can't imagine its gonna make a whole lot of difference, maybe at most add 0.01 per 100,000 chance of developing cancer or something for population stats.
If you really wanted to hedge your bets and aim for maximum life expectancy you would probably be better off, statistically, not driving, not crossing roads etc and improving diet and exercise than avoiding passive smoking.
Also remember you could get hit by a bus tomorrow, so don't obsess too much about gaining an extra 5-10 years at the end of your life, when the best you can hope for is being stuck in your own home, using a zimmer frame and mobility aids and maybe get a trip to the old folks day centre only a week, or worse be stuck in a care home with dementia and having some 18 year old cleaning you up 5 times a day when you've had an accident.
Disclaimer: This is by no means an attempt at a water tight argument, i know
, its more a way of looking at things.
Don't worry, be happy!
If taken in context with all other risk factors of say developing cancer, background radiation, petrol fumes, other carcinogens in the environment and food / diet e.g processed meat etc
I can't imagine its gonna make a whole lot of difference, maybe at most add 0.01 per 100,000 chance of developing cancer or something for population stats.
If you really wanted to hedge your bets and aim for maximum life expectancy you would probably be better off, statistically, not driving, not crossing roads etc and improving diet and exercise than avoiding passive smoking.
Also remember you could get hit by a bus tomorrow, so don't obsess too much about gaining an extra 5-10 years at the end of your life, when the best you can hope for is being stuck in your own home, using a zimmer frame and mobility aids and maybe get a trip to the old folks day centre only a week, or worse be stuck in a care home with dementia and having some 18 year old cleaning you up 5 times a day when you've had an accident.
Disclaimer: This is by no means an attempt at a water tight argument, i know
, its more a way of looking at things.Don't worry, be happy!
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U know it's illegal to **** in public right?
And yet the only "counter-argument" has been that urine isn't a recreational drug.
You don't even have that much as a counter-argument.
Go on, try and make a counter argument. Anything, no matter how weak. Anything at all.
Urine doesn't smell anywhere near as bad as tobacco smoke.
Urine is harmless, unlike tobacco smoke.
So why is spraying a mist of urine on people illegal and socially unacceptable and spraying a mist of tobacco smoke on people is legal and still mostly socially acceptable?
Enjoying a drug is logical, it's what people do. Caffeine, Nicotine, Alcohol, cannabis (and the harder stuff: ) Ecstasy, Coke, Heroin, etc...
Enjoying spraying someone with pee is retarded.
So you'd accept it if you could stop smoking (as in, other people/smoking globally) for ever in trade of everyone peeing against your front door and on you every day?
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only in public buildings?