God & Science Proved!

I can see why people get so defensive about this subject.

After all, someone of faith, has faith that something will happen when they die, this is what this is all about people, we may beat around the bush but all in all, we just want to know what happens when we die.

As hard as it is for me to think that there is nothing, it's what I believe will happen.

I was dead for billions of years before I was born, I don't think after I die there will be anything different.
I'd really love to see a ghost, or to have some sort of sign from the heavens, but alas, nothing.

All I see are unanswered prayers, war, famine and hate.

Nothing that I have ever seen in the world has ever implied any sort of higher power "watching over us".
Death being final, as in, that's it, nothingness.... scares the **** out of me.

There is no afterlife, this is it.

I hate to think of people wasting their lives praying to this god above, when all around them they could be taking action rather than doing nothing.
 
Rofflay said:
I watched a show called blood sweat and take aways when it was on Tv and it stuck with me about how they had to work without food for 2 days to earn about 50p each to get some rice etc.He may be intelligent but he has not realised that the church is hardly a force for good.It is a force for self preservation and control of society.And money making as well.How many of these Bishops drive Merc's and live in big houses? If they gave away about 20% of thier wages they could probably support a few familys.Hell our local priest/bishop/reverend drives a BMW and jets off to the carribean every year without fail! If was truly following jesus he would see that he could easily forfeit that carribean holiday and still easily live a life better than 60% of the worlds population.
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Completely agree.

You can even see such simple demonstrations of selfishness on the roads... those with the sign of the fish stuck on their car are some of the worst / most selfish drivers on the road.

Interesting that Christianity is supposed to promote generosity and treating others as you would like to be treated yourself.

Despite his relative selfishness (I couldn't blame him, I'm a selfish **** too)... I had a reasonable amount of respect for this guy, you had to be there to know why. But like I said, he is in the minority.


Considering the sheer amount of questions by highly intelligent people like Stephen Hawking and Richard Dawkins with no belief in god who could blame him.What would some of the hardcore christians have to say about Hawking? A few would say that is why he is in the condition he is in.As a punishment from god for being a disbeliever.I love those kind of christians they are the best imo.They dont realise that if there was a god and he had half an ounce of decency it would be those christians going to hell not hawking.
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Again, agree.

If there was a deity - they would be far more intelligent than the sum of all intelligence on this planet. So intelligent we can't even conceive it.

Something this clever would not care about worship, it would not care about belief. It would be far more interested in how you lived your life and how you treated others.

Then there are such simple idiocities like omni-presence... if omni-present - why do you need to go to a church/mosque/etc?

There are so many holes to poke in the fairy tale.

Most believers don't even follow the teachings of their holy book. For the most part, the messages the "profits" pushed were very good.

These have been so abused and twisted by people that there's barely a semblence left.

Stephen hawking even though mangled is one of the smartest men alive.If he says there is no god then i believe him over anyone.And could someone verify that my orignal question about evolution that all animals/Humans were orignally made or designed to NOT eat meat is correct? If humans cant eat meat then currently a lot of christians are breaking gods law and would in theory be dammed like adam and eve.

That alone no one has really attempted to explain?
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It depends on how you would choose to interpret evolution... evangelicals who believe in evolution will say "god designed it to happen that way". That a common response from the more-intelligent believers, "intelligent design".

Personally, I like the idea Stargate put forward with the "Ancients"... that's the closest I can ever think of what a deity could/would be... an advanced alien civilisation who seeded life on this planet.

I also don't rule out the possibility for a god, I would be very happy to be proved wrong.

Plus, I don't care what people believe - I'm happy for anyone to believe whatever they want to believe.

The thing that infuriates me are those who try to force their beliefs on people or indoctrinate young people who don't know any better. These people are "evil". I strongly dis-prove of what Jehova's witnesses do, going door to door.

Also... there are those who refuse medical treatment / blood transfusions because "that's not what god wants"... then they force these opinions on their ill kids... this is abhorrent, no deity would ever approve of such torment.
 
Lots of good debating but also a lot of slagging off

As i said earlier, i am now 47 and had been away from Christianity for 20 years during my teens / twenties but then went back to it as i felt a strong urge to do so. That has nothing to do with having been taught religion when i was younger.

A non christian, Person who has no faith or beliefs is never going to get where a christian is coming from. It is just too hard for them to understand. To comprehend.

Of course most christians have 'doubts' about certain aspects of their faith. We are only human. I dont agree with everyhing that the catholic church teaches. I dont agree with its vast wealth while others suffer. I dont agree with the way it has treated people in history, i dont agree with how it has covered up known priest pedos, i dont agree with its stake on contraception.

All that doesnt make me a bad christian. I also believe that one doesnt 'have' to go to church to worship god as i believe the kingdom of god is within us all.

So guys, i am not close minded. I like science and understand about the earths past.

The bible is a reference i believe. I dont believe it is 100% fact!! Only some factions of christianity believe that. Catholics dont base their beliefs on the teachings of the bible in a 100% way. There is a lot in this world that is unfathomable. Maybe we will never know what is what.

Some say i am wasting my life believing in a god that may not exist. What have i got to lose by doing so? I still live my life to the full. Nothing wrong in having a strong faith and living life to its full.

Someone asked what if god was proven as non existent? I dont think that would ever happen as lots of people have had experiences that they claim were from God etc. Its a tough call and all i know is that up until anything happens i am 100% for my faith etc. I wouldnt even like to imagine an existence without Jesus / God.
 
Surely it's much simpler to theorise that the people that wrote the bible just made it all up? Does that not seem much more likely to you than aliens outside our universe passing information to the desert goat herders?
 
bhavv said:
The burden of proof lies on the possitive assertion of there possibly being a God.

Has anyone disproved the flying spaghetti monster? No? Well does that mean that its real then?
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Don't confuse your assumptions or validation positions with the only possible route of argument...

Logical positivism being reality can only be taken a priori.
 
koolpc said:
Someone asked what if god was proven as non existent? I dont think that would ever happen as lots of people have had experiences that they claim were from God etc. Its a tough call and all i know is that up until anything happens i am 100% for my faith etc. I wouldnt even like to imagine an existence without Jesus / God.
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Lots of people claim lots of things. There is not a single shred of evidence for God. Therefore the default opinion of anyone who believes in the principle of science should be to not believe in him. He should be treated as a theory, one worthy of respect but not blind and unshakeable belief.

Personally I subscribe to the absurdist way of thinking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism). Just as we have no evidence for God, we have none against him. This is never going to change so there's no point wasting any time on the matter. Both theist and atheists annoy me by stating their opinions to be fact while neither has (or ever will have) any evidence to prove it.
 
koolpc said:
Lots of good debating but also a lot of slagging off

As i said earlier, i am now 47 and had been away from Christianity for 20 years during my teens / twenties but then went back to it as i felt a strong urge to do so. That has nothing to do with having been taught religion when i was younger.

A non christian, Person who has no faith or beliefs is never going to get where a christian is coming from. It is just too hard for them to understand. To comprehend.

Of course most christians have 'doubts' about certain aspects of their faith. We are only human. I dont agree with everyhing that the catholic church teaches. I dont agree with its vast wealth while others suffer. I dont agree with the way it has treated people in history, i dont agree with how it has covered up known priest pedos, i dont agree with its stake on contraception.

All that doesnt make me a bad christian. I also believe that one doesnt 'have' to go to church to worship god as i believe the kingdom of god is within us all.

So guys, i am not close minded. I like science and understand about the earths past.

The bible is a reference i believe. I dont believe it is 100% fact!! Only some factions of christianity believe that. Catholics dont base their beliefs on the teachings of the bible in a 100% way. There is a lot in this world that is unfathomable. Maybe we will never know what is what.

Some say i am wasting my life believing in a god that may not exist. What have i got to lose by doing so? I still live my life to the full. Nothing wrong in having a strong faith and living life to its full.

Someone asked what if god was proven as non existent? I dont think that would ever happen as lots of people have had experiences that they claim were from God etc. Its a tough call and all i know is that up until anything happens i am 100% for my faith etc. I wouldnt even like to imagine an existence without Jesus / God.
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Sorry but you come across as very arrogant and ignorant, claiming that everyone who is questioning your belief is somehow jealous and frustrated because they havn't seen the light.

In my opinion, born again Christians are the worst. They have usually done something they are ashamed of and need God to make them feel cleansed. It is a strong generalisation, I know, but that is my theory.
 
koolpc said:
Lots of good debating but also a lot of slagging off

As i said earlier, i am now 47 and had been away from Christianity for 20 years during my teens / twenties but then went back to it as i felt a strong urge to do so. That has nothing to do with having been taught religion when i was younger.
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why Christianity why not Hinduism?
 
Dolph said:
Don't confuse your assumptions or validation positions with the only possible route of argument...

Logical positivism being reality can only be taken a priori.
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Thank you for inserting that bit of philosophical BS into this thread.
 
bhavv said:
Can you ever enter any of these threads for any other purpose than bashing something I've written? Got anything valid to add rather than just trolling with a one liner then running away?
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LOL im here oh mighty Bhavv the knower of all things religious...like i said irony overload, the amount of BS you have spouted off ramming your views/opinions down others throats makes you someone who really cant talk or accuse people of spouting BS.

If i had a few hrs to spare id list some of the stuff you have come out with and were relentlessly ridiculed for but id be here all day and night posting the stuff and quite honestly ive got better things to do than to dredge up your past posting history regarding religion in here...does make me wonder why you bother posting in these threads.

Sadly i cant answer most of your posts because out of all the forum members, it seems only you have made my ignore list;)...
 
bhavv said:
Im on your ignore list but you still constantly read and reply to things I write???

What?
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Yup because i know everytime a religious based thread comes up here, you come in here with a head full of steam and yes even though you are on my ignore list, i can still read your posts and most of the time i do so because it gives me many lulz throughout my day but ive stopped replying to a lot of the crap you come out with as its not worth my time trying to make you look at things from a different perspective.
 
If you total all the crap I've come out with on this forum, it wouldnt even equate the amount of crap in a single post from you:

Spawn said:
LOL i think you will find that my upbringing and religious affiliation has had a major effect on me and my brothers not being gay...and i fully intend on doing the same with my children, should i have any.
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I dont think I'm allowed to write a suitable word to describe how much crap that is.
 
bhavv said:
Thank you for inserting that bit of philosophical BS into this thread.
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Given that we're discussing philosophy, it's rather relevant to point out blind faith whoever it comes from. It isn't BS to point out that your stated position shares the sort of unprovable, evidenceless faith people are criticising koolpc for...
 
Dolph said:
It isn't BS to point out that your stated position shares the sort of unprovable evidenceless faith
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My position would fully change should I be presented with valid evidence that shows me otherwise, and it is not based on faith. Koolpc's wouldnt.
 
I see that what was once looking like it could have been an interesting debate, has turned into a herp and derp war.
 
bhavv said:
My position would fully change should I be presented with valid evidence that shows me otherwise, and it is not based on faith. Koolpc's wouldnt.
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But there is absolutely no evidence to take the position of logical positivism (eg it only exists if I can see evidence, otherwise it does not) as being true. It is entirely possible that things exist that you don't currently have evidence for. Furthermore, there is no evidence to support that the scientific method produces factual truth on how the world works, as opposed to predictive observations.

Your position is also highly unscientific, because science does not take the position that an untested or untestable hypothesis is untrue, and yet you do.

there is nothing wrong with positions based on faith, or assumptions taken without evidence. There is a lot wrong with not recognising that you make that leap.
 
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