KONY 2012 - Campaign to arrest Joseph Kony
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I will not quote the entire image. But china helping out Africa in any shape way or form is laughable.
All china do is take a tonne of natural resources, agree to build something totally useless and then ship in Chinese workers to Africa to do the work in Africa. To a very poor standard at as well.
So Africa is without resources in that country, they have a useless building or railway line etc no new people employed due to the Chinese doing all the work.
Has this been posted yet?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/...2/mar/08/kony-2012-what-s-the-story?fb=native
More amused by Kony Hawks really...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/...2/mar/08/kony-2012-what-s-the-story?fb=native
More amused by Kony Hawks really...
What's the best kind of tinfoil to make a hat out of?
Spreading the word? There are dozens of atrocious things happening in Africa and none of us are unaware of this. The reality is that the majority of us, including you, do not care enough to make any real effort.
Tell me I'm wrong with a comprehensive list of what efforts you have made to assist those in need or kindly keep your slacktivist rubbish where it belongs, which is in your own head trying to satisfy your own conscience. "Making people aware" makes no difference, we were aware of the sufferings in the world before this video and no-one is more aware because of it.
im not from the tinfoil hat bregade, i heard this from a personal friend who discharged from the army because he was apparently sick of the lies and crap hes seen. i only googled his claims quickly just now and it seems oil HAS been found and its the best thing to have ever happened to uganda finacially...
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/26/world/africa/uganda-welcomes-oil-but-fears-graft-it-attracts.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/25/uganda-oil-find-energy-companies
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I never said I cared enough to make a real effort. But I care enough to do a simple thing like share a video and sign a pledge, helping the people who are prepared to make a real effort. If more people know more people will make a real effort. I'm not sure how you can say making people aware makes no difference. IC suggest that public support could help keep the US troops in Uganda. It might make a difference, it might not but it's worth a go.
Why would I try to satisfy my conscience? I haven't done anything wrong.
Yes there are dozens of atrocious things happening in Africa. Are you suggesting it's possible to tackle them all at the same time? Or just not bother with any of it?
Well that is where we disagree, as I don't believe sharing a video and signing an internet pledge for a phony charity will have any sort of influence. The main thing that's going to come out of this campaign is IC making themselves a lot of money which could be far more effectively spent elsewhere.
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Do the members of IC get stronger with every video shared and every pledge signed or something?
Considering the message is to bring Kony to justice and then you take into account the face he's not there, what's troops staying in Uganda going to achieve?
Actually you might be doing something wrong and don't even realize it. Raising awareness is all fine and dandy, but awareness for such an obviously "charged" issue will inevitably lead to increased donations. Now at face value the charity appears good, but it is hardly transparent. Where is the money really going? It is likely that it will make it's way to Uganda for better or worse. And it will end up on the "worse" end. Don't kid yourself for even a second. MONEY CROSSING OVER THE BORDER OF UGANDA IS A BAD THING. The country is essentially a failed state that is totally corrupt. It wouldn't surpirse in the slightest that it all ends up on Kony's desk.
One doesn't need to be of the tinfoil hat crowd to see that increased awareness = increased money = increased Kony profits. Sending funds for any reason whatsoever in that direction is just a recipe for disaster, so in a sense any unwitting facebooker clicking "like" is just compounding the problem.
I was going to post a critical view on the delayed response to the actions of the LRA even though they have been associated with a number of massacres, extreme brutality, rape, using children as front line fodder etc but thought I’d do some quick research on this.
This article goes a little way in showing how Kony has always been on the radar:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/05/15/hard-target.html
This also highlights the efforts of the US:
http://www.theresolve.org/lra-disarmament-and-northern-uganda-recovery-act-of-2009
My thoughts? Kony and the LRA have a lot to answer for. IF we actually believed in justice he would have been dealt with a long time ago, rather than focusing on Iraq and now Iran (but of course using a risk management approach, both of these could be seen to be low likelihood but high impact whereas Kony’s situation is the opposite on a global scene). It also seems as though many other countries have directly or indirectly contributed to his ‘success’ and therefore also have blood on their hands (Sudan supplying weapons and ammunition, supporting and then not getting rid of Idi Amin etc)
I also think that we have to be realistic in how we see things – we don’t always know the full details and therefore we can only made a ‘judgement’ using limited knowledge.
This just increases my view on a one world government.
This article goes a little way in showing how Kony has always been on the radar:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/05/15/hard-target.html
This also highlights the efforts of the US:
http://www.theresolve.org/lra-disarmament-and-northern-uganda-recovery-act-of-2009
My thoughts? Kony and the LRA have a lot to answer for. IF we actually believed in justice he would have been dealt with a long time ago, rather than focusing on Iraq and now Iran (but of course using a risk management approach, both of these could be seen to be low likelihood but high impact whereas Kony’s situation is the opposite on a global scene). It also seems as though many other countries have directly or indirectly contributed to his ‘success’ and therefore also have blood on their hands (Sudan supplying weapons and ammunition, supporting and then not getting rid of Idi Amin etc)
I also think that we have to be realistic in how we see things – we don’t always know the full details and therefore we can only made a ‘judgement’ using limited knowledge.
This just increases my view on a one world government.
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Warchild's Response to Invisible Children's Campaign
http://www.warchild.org.uk/news/kony-2012-our-response
http://www.warchild.org.uk/news/kony-2012-our-response
Excuse the unashamed Fisking, but...
So it is one of the two I said then. This isn't some top secret despotic regime that has only just been uncovered, it's been public knowledge for years. If people were interested or curious, they would have found out on their own.
Perception amongst their peers that they are well-informed amongst their peers and are altruistic creatures? What other possible reason could their be for sharing it on a site as sycophantic as Facebook?
Awesome. In the words of the BBC Africa correspondent: "the awareness of American college students is NOT a necessary condition for conflict resolution in Africa." The UK government just screwed up an operation to rescue a British and Italian citizen in Nigeria - it would be beyond foolish for any government to blunder into some damn fool crusade because of some flash-in-the-pan Internet viral video. Not least because nobody knows where the hell this guy even is.*
This entire 'campaign' is divorced from reality. A triumph of preening Western self-righteous slacktivist morality over simple reality.
*Inb4 [insert generic apples and oranges argument about not knowing where Osama/Saddam were before we invaded]: totally different scenario for more reasons than can be discussed in a 1,000 page book, let alone a forum post.
So it is one of the two I said then. This isn't some top secret despotic regime that has only just been uncovered, it's been public knowledge for years. If people were interested or curious, they would have found out on their own.
Perception amongst their peers that they are well-informed amongst their peers and are altruistic creatures? What other possible reason could their be for sharing it on a site as sycophantic as Facebook?
Awesome. In the words of the BBC Africa correspondent: "the awareness of American college students is NOT a necessary condition for conflict resolution in Africa." The UK government just screwed up an operation to rescue a British and Italian citizen in Nigeria - it would be beyond foolish for any government to blunder into some damn fool crusade because of some flash-in-the-pan Internet viral video. Not least because nobody knows where the hell this guy even is.*
This entire 'campaign' is divorced from reality. A triumph of preening Western self-righteous slacktivist morality over simple reality.
*Inb4 [insert generic apples and oranges argument about not knowing where Osama/Saddam were before we invaded]: totally different scenario for more reasons than can be discussed in a 1,000 page book, let alone a forum post.
you ***** make me laugh. calling to go after this guy is calling for war in africa. isnt there enough wars already? sadaam, gadaffi and bin lid are all dead now so the powers that be need a new boogie man to go after so they can profit from war and get a kick out of millions of dead people.
this guy has been around for 20 odd years. he done his worse around 10years ago and nothing was done. just because he has a bit of history its being dragged up again for an excuse to start a new war. im not saying he isnt a bad guy but dont be brainwashed by pro-war propaganda ffs.
why is there a "sudden" fire lit under this backed up with a very well made short film.
let me show you why.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/25/uganda-oil-find-energy-companies
WAKE THE **** UP PLEASE!
Add: i only read the first few pro-war comments in this thread. my point about oil was highlighted by somebody already so well done for that.
this guy has been around for 20 odd years. he done his worse around 10years ago and nothing was done. just because he has a bit of history its being dragged up again for an excuse to start a new war. im not saying he isnt a bad guy but dont be brainwashed by pro-war propaganda ffs.
why is there a "sudden" fire lit under this backed up with a very well made short film.
let me show you why.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/aug/25/uganda-oil-find-energy-companies
WAKE THE **** UP PLEASE!
Add: i only read the first few pro-war comments in this thread. my point about oil was highlighted by somebody already so well done for that.
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Derp.