New Xbox 'won't have disc drive, launching 2013

caris_2007 said:
For those talking about licenseing costs to Sony for blu ray, they could just do what Nintendo has done with the Wii U and design there own version of it to avoid the fees.
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A couple of other users have already pointed this out in the thread, so I'll do it again:

*** SONY DON'T OWN BLURAY ***

They would be licensing it from the Blu-ray Disc Association
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association

The licensing costs are still going to be far cheaper than using memory chips or creating a new proprietary format.

Blu-Ray won the HD format war, it's only win-win for all involved to have a Bluray player in the next Xbox. Just because Sony is a rival to Microsoft and they are part of the Association, doesn't mean they have some kind of childish objection, or visa versa with Microsoft.
 
caris_2007 said:
For those talking about licenseing costs to Sony for blu ray, they could just do what Nintendo has done with the Wii U and design there own version of it to avoid the fees.
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Or they could just join the Bluray disc association. Sony is only a board member of the BDA. With about 20 other members along side them, Intel being another board member.

^lol
 
This is the stepping stone to digital only downloads, they could have these flash disks as well as a expanded marketplace to download all titles. I'm all for it, the consoles will be cheaper to produce, will run quieter, cooler, consume less power and be smaller. Also this could solve the current problem of not enough RAM, if future games stretch the console then the games could simply come with extra on board memory to utilise, they could even turn back the clock to the snes days and the super fx chip lol include extra processors on board lol
 
mmj_uk said:
No doubt the cartridges will bind themselves to the first console or Live account they're used on so that you can't trade them second hand...
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If they released a console where I couldn't trade in an old game against a new then I simply wouldn't buy that console.
 
its more likely that with the rumours of 2 editions of the next xbox that the lesser edition *might* not have bluray, this means its not backwards compatible and cant do bluray/dvd playback. The more full featured will have backwards compatibility and have bluray and dvd playback. i expect around £50-£100 extra to get the full featured console. i know i'm going for the top end console like before with the core and premium xbox 360. hope the basic console has atleast 100GB+ and the bigger console perhaps nearer 500gb.
 
You are saying that it the 'lesser' version will still have an optical drive of some sort but wont have BD/DVD enabled?

It does amaze me what rumours some people believe...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
anticonscience said:
Wave goodbye to playing all your favourite Xbox 360 games.

See why it wont happen now?
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Nintendo went from the 64 to the cube. Things have to change and be un compatible with the previous gen at some point.

cheets64 said:
This, it wont happen, not in the current climate where gaming consoles are luxury.

MS would be mad to implement this.
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Probably the perfect time for them to do something radical. If people can bareley afford consoles why give them something they've 'already got', give them something radically new that represents their money better than xbox360 2.


Do i think they'll do it? Nah. The gaming industry appears to aligning itself with the main media industry. It would be a bold move to try and become the media leaders in a new format. I personally think it needs to happen at some point and within the next 3-5 years, the CD/DVD/Blueray is getting old, it's flimsy, fragile, large and requires mechanical devices prone to failure to make them work.

Sold state would work well in all media capacities, music, film, and game, however i think Bluray is still too new and people won't be ready to accept a brand new format just yet.

It would be interesting if MS did do this though!
 
desires said:
Nintendo went from the 64 to the cube. Things have to change and be un compatible with the previous gen at some point.
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Backwards compatibility was never expected with those consoles. The N64 didn't play games for the SNES which didn't play games for the NES. About the only console from that generation with back compatibility was the Gameboy, which managed about 20 years back compatibility, but is a serious outlier on that front even today.

These days, it's increasingly expected.

desires said:
Probably the perfect time for them to do something radical. If people can bareley afford consoles why give them something they've 'already got', give them something radically new that represents their money better than xbox360 2.
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People have no money, so the value proposition is "Hey, we know you've got lots of old games and can't afford tons of new ones. Fear not! Your new console will play your old games!"

desires said:
Do i think they'll do it? Nah. The gaming industry appears to aligning itself with the main media industry. It would be a bold move to try and become the media leaders in a new format. I personally think it needs to happen at some point and within the next 3-5 years, the CD/DVD/Blueray is getting old, it's flimsy, fragile, large and requires mechanical devices prone to failure to make them work.
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And yet cartridges are more expensive and broadband is still far too crap to make digital only work.

desires said:
Sold state would work well in all media capacities, music, film, and game, however i think Bluray is still too new and people won't be ready to accept a brand new format just yet.
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You seem to keep flipping back and forth on what you think. I are confuse.

desires said:
It would be interesting if MS did do this though!
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Possibly...
 
arcon33 said:
This is the stepping stone to digital only downloads, they could have these flash disks as well as a expanded marketplace to download all titles. I'm all for it, the consoles will be cheaper to produce, will run quieter, cooler, consume less power and be smaller. Also this could solve the current problem of not enough RAM, if future games stretch the console then the games could simply come with extra on board memory to utilise
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The optical drive will change very little to the things you've mentioned - heat and power usage aren't really of any concern. As for RAM, system RAM is going to be many times faster than any kind of additional memory that the games can provide, it simply wouldn't work as well.

People are really just making things up at this point, aren't they?

desires said:
Sold state would work well in all media capacities, music, film, and game, however i think Bluray is still too new and people won't be ready to accept a brand new format just yet.
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Considering the cost of a film on Blu-ray, I dread to think what they'd be priced at if they were on a solid-state device of some kind. The reason optical discs are popular is because they're cheap and easy to produce in large volumes.

People seem to think that just because SD cards and USB drives are a bit cheap these days, it means they're going to replace optical discs. Not for a long while yet, there's no reason for it.
 
Vonhelmet said:
Backwards compatibility was never expected with those consoles. The N64 didn't play games for the SNES which didn't play games for the NES. About the only console from that generation with back compatibility was the Gameboy, which managed about 20 years back compatibility, but is a serious outlier on that front even today.

These days, it's increasingly expected.
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Only because the cd style format has been very successfull. The CD has to go at some point though, why shouldn't MS's xbox be the spearhead of the movement?

Vonhelmet said:
People have no money, so the value proposition is "Hey, we know you've got lots of old games and can't afford tons of new ones. Fear not! Your new console will play your old games!"
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You play your old games on your console, shirely? :confused:

Vonhelmet said:
And yet cartridges are more expensive and broadband is still far too crap to make digital only work.
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Game prices are fabricated anyway, so why not just take a hit until the platform is so widely used the sheer demand brings down the prices. The console developers do this all the time with the actual console anyway, PS3 made a loss for a few years etc.

I fully agree with you about broadband being too **** for consoles to go DL only. ISPs are already bitching about things like youtube and iPlayer, i'd hate to see them break down in tears if hundreds of thousands of people all downloaded a 10gig MW4 file instead of waiting in queues :p

Vonhelmet said:
You seem to keep flipping back and forth on what you think. I are confuse.



Possibly...
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Not flip-flopping, i'm just airing my opinions on why MS releasing an xbox with no op-disk isn't as silly as some think it is, i then also air my opinions on why this is probably a nonsense rumour.

Basically, there is a lot of good reasons why MS may decided to go solid state, and also a lot of reasons for they they will stick with the cd shaped media, most likely blu-ray.
 
ps3ud0 said:
You are saying that it the 'lesser' version will still have an optical drive of some sort but wont have BD/DVD enabled?

It does amaze me what rumours some people believe...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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no im suggesting the lesser version is a gaming console without disc drive, the better will have bluray. It would be a odd choice and losing bluray is stupid as infact microsofts idea for a all round enterainment system for the next console would be obsolete if it cant do dvd/bluray.
 
wooohooo


bring on cartridge based media.


epic load times, expandibilty via the cart (ala super FX)
and the rampant piracy that we see just now on the 360 would almost disapear.



pros

quieter
quicker
less likely to get damaged
possible expandability

cons

cost



TBH a mass produced car is going to cost a lot more than a mass produced dvd/BD a LOT MORE but with the devs screaming that pircacy is driving down sales I honestly think it could balance things out in the long term If your a dev its an attractive proposition.

Load times

ffs i play gt5 and forza and even when installed to hdd the load times are horrific. anything that could reduce this is a win in my book
 
Nexus said:
A couple of other users have already pointed this out in the thread, so I'll do it again:

*** SONY DON'T OWN BLURAY ***

They would be licensing it from the Blu-ray Disc Association
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc_Association

The licensing costs are still going to be far cheaper than using memory chips or creating a new proprietary format.

Blu-Ray won the HD format war, it's only win-win for all involved to have a Bluray player in the next Xbox. Just because Sony is a rival to Microsoft and they are part of the Association, doesn't mean they have some kind of childish objection, or visa versa with Microsoft.
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Ah, my bad. In that case this rumour makes even less sense.
 
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