Do you think the governemnt is trying to get rid of poor people?

[LordSplodge]

I think the problem lies where too many people are trying to live beyond their means.

Spot on. Essentially people want everything now. Winding the clock back only sixty years we had people living happy and fulfilling lives without the need for all this material tat.

 

[LordSplodge]

Ive said it before and ill say it again: the quality of living is worse now then it was in my parents era.
Sure my father worked longer hours then now, but in his free time he could afford to do pretty much whatever he wanted.
Now? free time = tv time, its all thats affordable.

Yes but did your father have all the luxuries we take for granted nowadays?
Parents of my fathers age didn't have cars, or a television or even running water for a bath and you can forget central heating and inside toilets.

Nowadays we have people bleating on about how they suffer because they can't have the latest Playstation or the newest car whilst living in a warm, centrally heated, doubled glazed house. Probably watching high definition television on the flag screen tv or using the broadband on their computer.

Quality of life nowadays is excellent. Peoples perception of entitlement to everything not so good.

 

[sigma]

I don't see people putting forward suggestions on how to solve all the country's problems.

If it was so easy to do then why hasn't it been done already?

We live in a country with lots of opportunities. At least we have the chance to better ourselves, a large percentage of the world doesn't.

 

[Things change I've changed]

Yes but did your father have all the luxuries we take for granted nowadays?
Parents of my fathers age didn't have cars, or a television or even running water for a bath and you can forget central heating and inside toilets.

Nowadays we have people bleating on about how they suffer because they can't have the latest Playstation or the newest car whilst living in a warm, centrally heated, doubled glazed house. Probably watching high definition television on the flag screen tv or using the broadband on their computer.

Quality of life nowadays is excellent. Peoples perception of entitlement to everything not so good.

Who are these people that think these things?, I don't see anyone moaning that their quality of life is poor because they can't afford a 'gadget', I think the most important thing is to own your own home, it's the ultimate stability imo and an investment for your future, a lot of people myself included that moan about life being harder today are referring to the stress of knowing that your probably never going to be able to afford to own your home.

As I said earlier in the thread my grandparents saved and bought their first house for cash outright from only working factory jobs after the war, they never even needed a mortgage, that is impossible to do in today's world, just because you have heating, internet and cheap HD TV from Argos doesn't mean your living the luxury life, people can't afford to secure their futures these days, that's depressing, we're born into today's world where by you spend your whole entire life trying to be able to afford to secure a roof over your head, it's ridiculous.

 

[SlyReaper]

Darfur war orphans. Perspective is a hell of a thing.

News just in: you're not allowed to care about a thing if there's a worse thing happening somewhere else.

 

[BarBrawllin]

squeeze out a kid whilst on the street, you will soon find yourself in a house.

Yeah and if you live in Glasgow just a 5 minute walk from me you squeeze out a kid and end up in a flat that you have to wear lots of layers of clothes to stay warm with actual water POURING down the walls full of mould(not exagerrating this was even shown on TV and our social worker is disgusted by some of the places he's forced to house people in and told us we're the lucky ones).
Yeah sure you may be "lucky" and get a house in some ****hole full of junkies and scumbags that actualy stays warm and doesnt smell like a dead chicks muff.

I know because my dad got dementia and cant work,my mums a nurse who cant work because of really bad sleeping disorder like narcolepsy(they dont know for sure yet) arthritis/spondolosis and we didnt have savings (my parents fault admitedly) and ended up getting given the wrong amount of housing benefit for years and no matter how much we argued they wouldnt beleive us and said it was the right amount untill we got evicted because we just couldnt afford to pay the full amount of rent then they said "oh sorry we werent paying you the right amount" so they paid the landlord 2 months rent arrears we owed out of the money they never gave us and sent us to a homeless shelter now im living in one of the better temporary furnished accomodations they have,i only have to put up with junkies and alcoholics p***ing themselves in the elevators and drunken gang fights right outside our building every night and a rank smell of mould coming from the wall behind me. All my stuff in a storage unit that they tell us we cant get access to untill we get a permanent house to live in and that will probobly take years for one u can actualy live in without dying of mould inhalation or being stabbed by a junky.The last place they offered us when turned up to look at it and got inside found the roof had caved in

All the years of people abusing the system have wrecked it.

 

[Zbornak]

I already live in dump compared to the house I grew up in and it's not safe to go out after dark.
I can move to further west to Hounslow or South to Croydon, but then I'd have to pay for the tube to get to work, another £100+ per month. If I move outside of London the train fares are astronomical and service is a joke.

Simply moving to the cheapest possible area isn't tenable, as that area would be Hackney or New Cross or something. Who wants to mugged in the ghetto?

From the places that you mention I can deduce that probably live one of these areas: Putney, Richmond, Wandsworth, Clapham or Dulwhich. These are all incredibly expensive in terms of the value of your money. That's why your spending 70% of your salary on rent. Of course they're not safe. There's nowhere in London which is 100% safe to go out in after dark. If I'm wrong about the above places, please do let us know which area of London you live in.

Hackney or New Cross are great places to live in. They're fun and you could get a single bus journey into central London. £1.20 each way.

I'll only believe that you're having it tough if you published your life "balance sheet". Until then I'll just think your moaning far beyond your means in which you can justifiably moan!

 

[Calabi]

You cant win, only when everyones in the gutter will anything begin to change(but then it will probably be too late).