Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread (and FA Cup) ** spoilers ** [17th - 21st March 2012]

Show of hands of people who actually listen to the drivel DM comes out with day in, day out?

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No one? Didn't think so.

EDIT: [Thread Contribution] Loki Wins, see above.
 
Wayners said:
Show of hands of people who actually listen to the drivel DM comes out with day in, day out?

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No one? Didn't think so.
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That's a little unfair really Wayners. DM does get a lot of bad press but at least he takes the time to contribute to the thread whether you agree with him or not. Unlike some other run and gunners who bring ZERO to the discussion other than their own blinded bitterness
 
I think Valencia took quite a while to recover mentally from the injury, you could see him hesitate before running at full backs and he'd often just go for the easy pass back or inside. I hope he's recovered from that now.
 
DM is probably the most important contributor to this thread. Just because you disagree with his opinions it doesn't mean that he offers nothing. His posts normally form the basis of most discussion in the thread.

On the Valencia issue, I thought he was one of the main providers for Rooney during his prolific season after Ronaldo left.
 
As much as I hate agreeing with Arsenal fans, and boy I do hate it.

DM speaks sense, most people dont have the language skills to argue/debate with him when they see his wall of text replies.

Simples.
 
DiCe! said:
As much as I hate agreeing with Arsenal fans, and boy I do hate it.

DM speaks sense, most people dont have the language skills to argue/debate with him when they see his wall of text replies.

Simples.
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Language skills? :o

All due respect to DM (and I do agree he often comes out with some good stuff), I've never seen him change his mind about anything, so arguments with him are a bit futile.
 
DM is crazy, can't believe he has the motivation to type as much as he does, so often. But I've actually noticed him getting some stuff right recently, don't know what happened there
 
cheets64 said:
like how Evans was rubbish but is now world class after a few games.
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MOTD 2 had a kind of extended analysis of man utd last night (largely due to the fact they couldn't show any cup games) and they did a bit on evans, praising him on how he's improved over the last 20 games or so. oh and he scored a goal, which is probably what sparked the little tribute.

i couldn't tell if they were being genuine or not but evans was the pillar in a game against wolves and it's no surprise he scored as wolves defence is nothing short of unprofessional at times.

i like evans, he seems like a decent lad but only a united fan could say he is a competent defender. ferguson obviously sees something in him though and i genuinely hope he progresses purely based on his attitude.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Yup, 3 good games, 1 great game, or even a few not woeful games and fans attitudes on players change, not just fans. Ian Wright in his Sun column was banging on about letting Walcott go, or putting him in the reserves, doing something and how crap he was. 3 assists against Blackburn, 5 good minutes against a couple teams that didn't show up and his last mention was of how Arsenal have to get Walcott on a new contract ASAP.



Yet, his fitness was mentioned, no one forgot he was out injured, however you seem to be stating it like the only reason for his lack of form was coming back from an injury, which would suggest he had great form at any time before his injury...... he didn't. 5 goals and 7 assists isn't great for 34 performances at a title winning club, nor was his barely 3 goals 4 assists at Wigan in his best season.

You're implying that were it not for his injury his form last season and early this season would have been better than at any other stage of his career... which is absurd. His current form is certainly not bad, but its not impeccable and of the 12 assists and 3 goals in his last 15 games, 5 assists have been against Wolves, 2 goals against Wolves and Wigan(was Wigan bottom of the league when he scored against them?).

1 goal and 3 assists against top half of the table in 15 appearances, still not bad, again no one anywhere has said he was bad. Just that lots of players in an arbitrary run of games can look out of this world. Over his career he's never come close to sustaining this kind of form, he's never shown this kind of form against top teams and he's put in some truly dreadful performances.

Again I'll point out all the Utd fans creaming themselves over Nani(when I also said, doing very well, but see how he does next year/long term) who now call him crap every week.

he's in good form, great if you ignore who his best performances have come against(that isn't entirely unfair, but will there be teams as bad as Wolves/Wigan in the prem next year?), but will form last and is he a great player long term.

I always forget which one of you bags on Young constantly, but he has the same number of games as Valencia in the league, has been injured more often this year, is new at the club, and has 4 goals 7 assists(with at least one "assist via penalty" not given in that stat, maybe 2). Valencia is brilliant, but Young is awful, with similar stats and Young hasn't gotten 3 goals/goals + assists twice against the worst club in the league....... or Valencia has looked impressive but against poor opposition and long term never shown this form ever. Young has looked impressive, has shown BETTER form than this for 5 + years, and looks to me to be scoring/assisting in bigger more important games.
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Nani was in great form for half a season. he was banging in goals for fun.

then carragher raped his leg, and then fergie dropped him from the team, put him left wing and dropped him from the champions league = confidence/form utterly crushed...

young has looked awful except for a few goals...he looks infintely better on the left than right though to be fair.
 
Robbo said:
Language skills? :o

All due respect to DM (and I do agree he often comes out with some good stuff), I've never seen him change his mind about anything, so arguments with him are a bit futile.
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I change my mind quite a lot, but NEVER on the basis of one, or a handful of games. Lennon I think is much more effective now than he was and I didn't think he'd actually become effective and stay in the SWP/Walcott bracket. SWP/Walcott, no change. I think thats about it :p Joking, I do change my mind, I think unfortunately people are starting to realise the league is becoming a bit crap and that's why again unfortunately most of my changing views are for the negative.

Denilson looked a very promising attacking midfielder when he joined, REALLY promising, then he disappeared for a year and got turned into a woeful defensive midfielder. Diaby even I said many times looked a decent left winger, leggy, pacey, dribbles not the best final ball etc. Same holds true for many players at many clubs largely because the league is getting worse, and good players are getting worse by playing for years in the wrong position in teams playing negative football.

What I find easiest though is, you don't have to change your mind a lot... if you're right the first time ;)
 
The Running Man said:
Nani was in great form for half a season. he was banging in goals for fun.

then carragher raped his leg, and then fergie dropped him from the team, put him left wing and dropped him from the champions league = confidence/form utterly crushed...

young has looked awful except for a few goals...he looks infintely better on the left than right though to be fair.
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In the same way I think Nani was riding a supreme confidence high which somewhat raised his natural game above what I think he'll achieve long term. Personally I wasn't commenting on him as much as the change in opinion from fans. I don't believe Nani is crap, I also didn't believe on the basis of half a season that you could assume that form over 6 months would automatically become his "standard" form. My opinion of him increased last year and hasn't decreased this year. I made none of those points, my only point was people's reactions to form, sudden high form, instantly changing overall impression of a player, sudden poor form, suddenly changing overall impression of a player.

Utd fans(lots and lots of them) were proclaiming him best player in the league last year, and this year call him crap week in week out. That was the only thing I actually said and that is accurate.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Yet, his fitness was mentioned, no one forgot he was out injured, however you seem to be stating it like the only reason for his lack of form was coming back from an injury, which would suggest he had great form at any time before his injury...... he didn't. 5 goals and 7 assists isn't great for 34 performances at a title winning club, nor was his barely 3 goals 4 assists at Wigan in his best season.
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Valencia was great in his first season at the club, he was MOTM in the Carling Cup final that year and made it into the PFA team of the year. Now you might argue that neither of those accolades mean anything but they certainly hold more strength to the argument than your opinion that's for damn sure!

Valencia finished his first season at the club with 7 goals and 11 assists by the way so while that may not be as good as his current form seeing as you're allowing Young the whole first season in a new team excuse I think you can extend Valencia that same courtesy.
 
drunkenmaster said:
. made none of those points, my only point was people's reactions to form, sudden high form, instantly changing overall impression of a player, sudden poor form, suddenly changing overall impression of a player. .
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It's the 24hr news channel curse. Nothing to talk about so every good game makes a player the next Pele every bad performance the next Heskey. I tend to avoid sports reporting unless its after a match because it's plain irritating.

Take yesterday as an example. Had that giant woman beating muppet (formally known as Collymore) saying the current united team are about to become the next perfect united team like when they had Becks, Giggs, Keane and Scholes! All this on the basis of them beating the worst team in the PL. contrast that with Friday when the same muppet was saying united needed to replace the majority of te team because of being beaten by Bilbao.

It's ridiculous.
 
Still think Valencia is our best winger (given that Giggs cant really be described as that any longer) - Nani and Young can have fantastic individual games, but they rarely put in a long run of games of consistant threat (admittedly Young has been in and out with injury, I know Nani has been out recently, not sure if he was playing with an injury prior to being taken out of the team/available squad though)

Less said about Park the better :D

If Utd can wrap AV in cotton wool over the summer (hoping he doesnt have more int's tournements) having a full pre-season behind him willl do him and the team wonders in 2012/13 season

edit - I ******** hate Collymore - complete idiot imo
 
Nani's certainly found things tough this season, looking back he's had probably only 2 really outstanding games this year (v City in the Shield and v Chelsea at home) the thing that Nani has that Tony V doesn't though is that he's a match winner as his ploretha of long range strikes prove. Nani's versatility is his biggest hinderance though, because he can play left Fergie sticks him out there and basically kills his form, Valencia on the other hand has no left foot so gets to play in his favoured position week in week out thus making him the more reliable and consistent of the two.

We're lucky to have both tbh and I can't really pick a favourite of the two as they're both capable of great things :cool:
 
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