Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread (and FA Cup) ** spoilers ** [17th - 21st March 2012]

Get rid of Redknapp while they are at it.

He must get muppet pundit of the year award when he was trying to say the Rio tackle on Suarez was a red and not a dive despite clear evidence, was hilarious and cringeworthy at the same time :D
 
NEville is quickly getting much worse, with the same kind of generic statements about Walcott recently "he is great if he can just do X a bit more", no he's crap.

I think he was fairly harsh on crap players early on but is quickly falling into that, say very little bad about anyone, if they are having a crap game make excuses for them. Because ultimately pundits try to stay friends with everyone and not upset players, or managers or people who play with some crap player, etc, etc.

As a pundit I think he's quite good, commentary is going downhill quickly as he's picking up all the same boring sayings everyone else bangs out all game long.


He's still one of the best around but, pundits try to stay everyones friends, the longer they are pundits/commentators, the more generic they become, the less critical and the more hyperbolic of every half decent thing that happens. Redknapp there is no excuse for, Merson is hilarious because he is completely stupid, though there is the odd gem of a line on soccer saturday, crap at his job but funny in failing so badly. Thompson is just a nose, "yay liverpool, boo everyone else" nothing else to him.
 
NEville is quickly getting much worse, with the same kind of generic statements about Walcott recently "he is great if he can just do X a bit more", no he's crap.

I think he was fairly harsh on crap players early on but is quickly falling into that, say very little bad about anyone, if they are having a crap game make excuses for them. Because ultimately pundits try to stay friends with everyone and not upset players, or managers or people who play with some crap player, etc, etc.

As a pundit I think he's quite good, commentary is going downhill quickly as he's picking up all the same boring sayings everyone else bangs out all game long.


He's still one of the best around but, pundits try to stay everyones friends, the longer they are pundits/commentators, the more generic they become, the less critical and the more hyperbolic of every half decent thing that happens. Redknapp there is no excuse for, Merson is hilarious because he is completely stupid, though there is the odd gem of a line on soccer saturday, crap at his job but funny in failing so badly. Thompson is just a nose, "yay liverpool, boo everyone else" nothing else to him.

His commentary is great, QPR/Bolton was rereshingly frank and he always seems to be like this.

Thumbs up from me atleast!
 
Spurs' season in a short gif

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NEville is quickly getting much worse, with the same kind of generic statements about Walcott recently "he is great if he can just do X a bit more", no he's crap.

I think he was fairly harsh on crap players early on but is quickly falling into that, say very little bad about anyone, if they are having a crap game make excuses for them. Because ultimately pundits try to stay friends with everyone and not upset players, or managers or people who play with some crap player, etc, etc.

As a pundit I think he's quite good, commentary is going downhill quickly as he's picking up all the same boring sayings everyone else bangs out all game long.


He's still one of the best around but, pundits try to stay everyones friends, the longer they are pundits/commentators, the more generic they become, the less critical and the more hyperbolic of every half decent thing that happens. Redknapp there is no excuse for, Merson is hilarious because he is completely stupid, though there is the odd gem of a line on soccer saturday, crap at his job but funny in failing so badly. Thompson is just a nose, "yay liverpool, boo everyone else" nothing else to him.

whats your verdict on arsenals recent run of forms? sack wenger still?
 
Gary Neville is a crap pundit because he disagrees with DM.

On that basis, I should expect a ring from MotD any time soon. Excellent.
 
Front four of Modric, 3 other people. Why do people insist on calling it a front four, and by doing so you made it unclear where you think Modric should be? He's slow and not particularly good on the wing, and MOTD is absolutely worthless for judging a player. If they want to they can show all the best or all the worst moments.

It's also a terrible argument to talk about crossing and height, firstly with Bales pace he should be looking to whip balls in ahead of strikers + defenders running towards the goal, with good striker movement the idea is to get to the ball ahead of the defender, on the ground, really high or anything inbetween is very winnable for any player of any height.

The problem is Bale does one of two things, spends ages trying to cut inside, then finally goes outside when its too late, goes outside, gets too close to the line and cuts it in right at the keeper.

His most successful games that I can remember involved getting passed in behind the right back, and driving towards goal with the option to shoot or square it, these days he drops deep, thinks he's Messi/Ronaldo and wants to take on the entire team.

IN football you've really got to think system first, NOT player, because Bale is completely all over the place, the other players never know where to go. A solid left winger who stays left wing and crosses in a predictable manner for the strikers is effective, when the strikers/midfielders have no clue when he's going to do anything they can't make runs. he's trying to win himself, and as soon as he's been trying to win himself, Spurs have been crap, its not a coincidence, likewise Ade, VDV, Modric, Parker, Lennon/Krancjar/whoever have all looked worse. When Spurs were winning Spurs were an 11 man team, since they've been crap they've been 10 + Bale. It's really easy to pick out a good highlights reel for Bale because he gets all the ball, every game, and wastes 95% of it at the moment.

While I don't particularly rate Ekotto, balls in behind the right back are made considerably easier when the guy you're passing in behind is that fast and powerful(put the same balls in for Modric and he'll not catch up with half of them, or be shouldered off the ball for many of the others), defensively he's looked so much worse in the past what 10 games because...... Bale is inconsistent because he's not always at left wing, Ekotto has less cover.

Bale wants to be Messi, and hasn't got a 1/10th of the talent required, and without carrying the entire team himself and scoring every game the negative side to playing like that, lack of tracking back and the like, will cost you most games. Hell even Messi predominantly stays in position on the right most games.



I wasn't arguing for modric on the wing. I was arguing for him behind the striker in a front four. The aim of that system is to have a fluid and interchangeable front four who aremobile and work as a pack. When I see city play their front fouris essentially four free roles (when attacking) that work the defense.

Spurs, with our squad, could easily switch into a poorer mans city to great effect. I am not advocating Bale having a free role in 442 but I am advocating developing a front four that function like city especially when trying to beat teams that are defending for their lives. Time and time again spurs have failed against poorer opposition who are parking the bus with 442. This is because we don't attack the box with midfielders and we have one tall striker.

This is particulalrly relevant to the type of crossing you have espoused. The crossing you described works from inside the 18 yard box or on a counter attack. Spurs are not good at working people in. We are great at counter attacks. If you have a team that is sitting behind the ball, getting the defenders turned is nigh on impossible with 442. It is all so predictable. Bale isn't worked in, because we are not good at that, and good deliveries from out wide are met by no one because no one attacks the box.

Bale has shown himself very capable as a ball player as well as a winger. Modric and VDV are obviously more than capable. With adebayor/Defoe/saha as the front man with those three working behind him, I think spurs would have a really exciting alternative to 442 with flying wingers.
 
Just realised that after last night Liverpool now mathematically can't win the title, which is a great effort in March.

That means we're now entering the "wait till next season" phase of the Scouse boom-bust cycle. From here out their performances will gradually improve, Suarez might start actually scoring and they might win the FA Cup. They will bag a couple of big preseason wins against the likes of FC Lahti and CFR Cluj and Gerrard will give an interview in July (after contributing nothing to England's quarter final exit in the Euros) that this year is their year. Then they will lose to United in the Charity Shield and they will return to reality again. You can set your watch by it. :D
 
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