Hit someone and a question as to fault?

You're ment to stick your hand out the window and signal if the indicators are broken? If there was no indication then surely he made the dangerous move by not checking his mirrors etc. Can't say it will be easy to win on the basis that he's saying the crash made them break?
 
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You say he braked and you saw it, but there was no indicator to suggest he was turning right. You're happy to rely on that lack of an indicator, but if he was stopping then there would have been a left indicator which you seem happy to ignore.

You've tried to overtake someone turning into a junction. Just hope that there isn't a whiplash claim too, because this would have course be genuine.
 
I wouldn't accept liability. The moron is is expected to mirror signal etc and check for passing cars before they turn. No indication was given about what they were doing, you could have been waiting all night, or did they wait for you to pass and then crash so they could claim some Jeremy Kyle style whippy?
 
Sounds like the OP barrelled past him at 30mph, the innocent motorist turns, not expecting some clown to try and pass him on a junction and they have a collision.

The other motorist could have been stopping for anything, child in the road etc etc that you couldn't see.

I can't say I check my RHS mirror when I turn right just incase someone has decided to try and pass me on the wrong side of the road.
 
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Just not as clear cut as simply running into back of him.
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You should always assume that other road users will not indicate. And from an insurance POV - it is as simple as you running into the back of him. The decent thing to do is to admit full liability.

Live and learn. Next time someone brakes for no reason with no indication I know to sit behind them til they get out lol.
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He wasn't braking for no reason!
 
No worries guys, I'm not out to stuff anyone - was only asking a question.
There were loads of little questions but I've told my insurers what happened to the letter so we'll see. Worst case my insurance doubles, best case he wasn't insured and gets found out. He was a young lad in a pug with boyracer exhaust and mum in passenger seat who (trust me!) did all the talking lol. Felt a bit sorry for him as think he may have been out on a provisional as his mum (think it was his mum) was in car. No L plates or P plates so I'm just assuming on how quiet he were.
Ah well. :)
 
His brake lights came on because he was slowing to turn, not for no reason. You should not have been so quick to try and overtake.

Sorry but it's 100% your fault OP.
 
Berger said:
I can't say I check my RHS mirror when I turn right just incase someone has decided to try and pass me on the wrong side of the road.
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Ever since driving in central London and failing to do this one time and coming pretty close to hitting a random cyclist that seemingly appeared out of nowhere, I most certainly do make a habit of now checking my mirrors whenever I'm turning right. You never know if there's going to be s a cyclist or someone driving like a **** so it's best to be safe than sorry.
 
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helpimcrap said:
No worries guys, I'm not out to stuff anyone - was only asking a question.
There were loads of little questions but I've told my insurers what happened to the letter so we'll see. Worst case my insurance doubles, best case he wasn't insured and gets found out. He was a young lad in a pug with boyracer exhaust and mum in passenger seat who (trust me!) did all the talking lol. Felt a bit sorry for him as think he may have been out on a provisional as his mum (think it was his mum) was in car. No L plates or P plates so I'm just assuming on how quiet he were.
Ah well. :)
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Him having no insurance makes no difference if you are deemed to be at fault.
 
I wouldnt say 100% fault if the indicator wasnt on, however if this was a safe overtake then it wouldnt have happended an I would imagine that there would have been visibility of the side repeaters.

Out of interest op, did you signal before you overtook and what gear were you in?
 
ok, consider myself hung, drawn and quartered by the righteous lol.

wasn't sure if the things you are taught in your test apply in the real world. they're not so my mistake lol. :)

i'll wait and see.

Fox - i realise that but if the has no insurance he may think twice about it as i'd expect to deal with his insurance company in the claim stakes?
 
dilated said:
I wouldnt say 100% fault if the indicator wasnt on, however if this was a safe overtake then it wouldnt have happended an I would imagine that there would have been visibility of the side repeaters.

Out of interest op, did you signal before you overtook and what gear were you in?
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i had started braking and the shunt wasn't that hard so maybe 20mph tops before i braked and locked the wheels up? i was in 3rd or 4th gear but i often drive around in 5th from 30mph+ and i can't afford to cane it with petrol prices lol.
 
helpimcrap said:
wasn't sure if the things you are taught in your test apply in the real world. they're not so my mistake lol. :)
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Things like:
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DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example

approaching or at a road junction on either side of the road
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:p

Ultimately, you performed an at risk manoeuvre based solely on your assumption of what the person in front was going to do, not clever.

You made a mistake, take it on the chin and don't mess the guy around, you drove into his car.
 
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Am i going to be bent over? :(
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Yes im afraid.

Overtaking near a junction is a no no, will go in his favour as the liability is yours.

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@OP: Just to clarify he was turning into a junction right? I just noticed you never actually said that other people just assumed it. If he was turning into a driveway or starting a 3 point turn or just generally swerving across the road for no reason its a different kettle of fish.
 
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ubersonic said:
Yes im afraid.

Overtaking near a junction is a no no, will go in his favour as the liability is yours.

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@OP: Just to clarify he was turning into a junction right? I just noticed you never actually said that other people just assumed it. If he was turning into a driveway or starting a 3 point turn or just generally swerving across the road for no reason its a different kettle of fish.
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Yeah, he was coming up to a right turn on a straight, clear road so yes i was stupid but hey.... it's why we pay insurance i guess. ho-hum. :)
 
helpimcrap said:
wasn't sure if the things you are taught in your test apply in the real world.
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Did you REALLY say that? :p :D:D:D


For what its worth, the number of cars & bikes who think its safe / ok to overtake a right turning HGV is not funny. :(

Glad your ok OP, & living up to your name! :p;):D
 
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