Are you still dead after Cremation?

WantoN · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:12

How ridiculous.

It doesn't state that you have to have a body. It states the 'cessation of all biological functions'.

Do some of your functions commence again once you're cremated.

No. Plum.

EDIT: Ohhh I see. This is a thread for 'specials' to attempt philosophy. I'll slink out, I'd recommend all the rational people with a modicum of intelligence do likewise

Nitefly · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:14

Aid4nTheNoob said:
Chance and randomness are pretty much the same thing, right?

Well I wouldn't use chance in a scientific sense *shrug*

I was nit-picking because evolution is non-random, but I completely know what you are saying.

Wazz-1 · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:19

Aid4nTheNoob said:
That force you speak of... is every single organ in our body working together.

The only reason we are in the bodies we are in is due to pure chance. The reason why that we are living, breathing, speaking and experiencing life right now is simply due to that. Chance.

Everything on this planet, perhaps even the universe, was made by pure chance.

+1

Yawn. These discussions are always extremely tedious.

What is life? What is existence? etc

It's just asking questions you know no-one has an answer to, safe in the knowledge that whatever 'philosophical' words you splurge onto the keyboard can't be conclusively shown as 'wrong'.

+1 again
Dead = Dead

Nitefly · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:22

Aid4nTheNoob said:
Maybe this IS actually my sig? Ever think of that?

I just saw this. Read the post above mine.

indyskyz · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:22

Quink said:
Can you translate that gibberish into English please. It's a quite simple request

Come talk to me when you've been here a few more years! eh?

Aid4nTheNoob · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:32

WantoN said:
How ridiculous.

It doesn't state that you have to have a body. It states the 'cessation of all biological functions'.

Do some of your functions commence again once you're cremated.

No. Plum.

EDIT: Ohhh I see. This is a thread for 'specials' to attempt philosophy. I'll slink out, I'd recommend all the rational people with a modicum of intelligence do likewise

You need to have a body to have biological functions. If you no longer have a body where the biological functions are no longer ceasing to exist, then you are no longer dead after cremation, because cremation gets rid of things such as heart, lungs, brain...

Basically... if there is nothing there to be dead. Then how can it be dead? It is simply nothingness. Just ash.

Nitefly · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:36

Aid4nTheNoob said:
You need to have a body to have biological functions. If you no longer have a body where the biological functions are no longer ceasing to exist, then you are no longer dead after cremation, because cremation gets rid of things such as heart, lungs, brain...

Basically... if there is nothing there to be dead. Then how can it be dead? It is simply nothingness. Just ash.

That's just stupid. If I get out bed and go on a train, by that logic I can no longer be out of bed because being on a train precludes it.

Aid4nTheNoob · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:37

Nitefly said:
That's just stupid. If I get out bed and go on a train, by that logic I can no longer be out of bed because being on a train precludes it.

You can't really compare train journeys to death.

OR CAN YOU?

indyskyz · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:37

Aid4nTheNoob said:
Just ash.

Still, it is the corpse's ash thus a body. A body of ash.

I call troll

Zefan · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:38

You seem to posses a rare gift. Most people - no matter how hard they try - will never be able to appear as stupid as you are right now.

Aid4nTheNoob · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:40

indyskyz said:
Still, it is the corpse's ash thus a body. A body of ash.

I call troll

Actually, when you're cremated, bits of coffin and stuff turn up in the end result.

Is your living body made up of bits of coffin? No.

Therefore, you are just ash. Ash is not a body. Would you call poo, food? No.

Aid4nTheNoob · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:41

Zefan said:
You seem to posses a rare gift. Most people - no matter how hard they try - will never be able to appear as stupid as you are right now.

Nitefly · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:43

Aid4nTheNoob said:
Therefore, you are just ash. Ash is not a body. Would you call poo, food? No.

But surely by your logic the food has not been eaten because it has ceased to be a food?

semi-pro waster · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:43

Aid4nTheNoob said:
You need to have a body to have biological functions. If you no longer have a body where the biological functions are no longer ceasing to exist, then you are no longer dead after cremation, because cremation gets rid of things such as heart, lungs, brain...

Basically... if there is nothing there to be dead. Then how can it be dead? It is simply nothingness. Just ash.

Being alive is a binary state, you are either alive or you are not so because we're having this discussion that means you're at the point of being a 1 in this particular example - it's the only time* that you'll ever be alive so any time after you have been alive you must be dead (or 0 to extend the analogy), what state your corporeal matter is in is an irrelevance. You do not come back to life just because the various atoms that made up your body no longer make it up - your life is over, finito, kaput, ceased to be hence you are dead and just to be clear, you will remain dead forevermore.

*presuming for the sake of this discussion that reincarnation doesn't exist.

Aid4nTheNoob · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:52

Nitefly said:
But surely by your logic the food has not been eaten because it has ceased to be a food?

I never said in the first place that you have never died because you no longer have a body after cremation.

I said, after your body dies, you are then cremated. After cremation, your body is no longer dead, because there is no body there to be dead.

People are getting confused in this post regarding what being dead actually is. It is your body shutting down. Your body is then dead. No body after cremation = Can't be dead.

Simple.

You are also no longer alive. You are nothing. And therefore, cease to exist.

Wazz-1 · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:56

semi-pro waster said:
*presuming for the sake of this discussion that reincarnation doesn't exist.

Lol

Colbaker · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:57

Monserrat said:
Does any of you here believe in anything after death though? Sure, none of us remembers life before birth, so it'll be the same when you die, but I do believe that you'll manifest as someone else, human or animal with no recollection of your previous life. My main concern though is ending up in the food chain if I became animal. Hunted by other animals etc.

You say we remember nothing before birth but this could be because we are at the first stage, when we die we (meaning our "soul") move on but are still ourselves.

Does that make sense?

Castiel · 7 Apr 2012 at 11:58

Aid4nTheNoob said:
I never said in the first place that you have never died because you no longer have a body after cremation.

I said, after your body dies, you are then cremated. After cremation, your body is no longer dead, because there is no body there to be dead.

People are getting confused in this post regarding what being dead actually is. It is your body shutting down. Your body is then dead. No body after cremation = Can't be dead.

Simple.

You are also no longer alive. You are nothing. And therefore, cease to exist.

You are the one who is confused over what 'death' is......you seem to be stuck on it being simply the cessation of bodily function...I posted why this is too simplistic earlier:

Castiel said:
Being dead is not simply a 'state of the body', it is also a 'state of the consciousness' and when considering what you are saying you also have to consider the legal definitions as regards to the individual....commonly callled the Status of Personhood and the disposal of the body in whatever way would not alter the status of that individual in this regard.....effectively and legally they would still be dead.

Aid4nTheNoob · 7 Apr 2012 at 13:54

The thread has now died. Thank god for that.

Aid4nTheNoob · 7 Apr 2012 at 13:55

Haha, see what I did there?