he has 3 months to appeal that decision though i think.
any newspaper reporting what will happen to his large family that we are paying for? im assuming they will still stay here?
Abu Hamza extradition backed by European Court
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he has 3 months to appeal that decision though i think.
any newspaper reporting what will happen to his large family that we are paying for? im assuming they will still stay here?
Indeed. Excellent news!
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No, I don't think we are wrong to deport him. I think we are wrong to deport him to a country that will subject him to cruel and unusual punishment.
He should have thought about that before preaching hatred.
Mmm, not sure about this really. I don't like the notion of 'do as we say, not as we do'.
but it would be fine for him to stay here and inflict indirect punishment to UK citizens when his acolytes blow up another transport hub / shop / nightclub based on his insane rantings about the evil west and her enemies of Allah ?
Yes I see the logic here.......................
That's exactly what he didn't say. Read the first sentence of what you quoted.
you'd be damn sure about it if you were caught up in an act of terrorism or one of you close friends or family were caught up in it and it later transpires the perpetrators were indoctrinated by Hamza's preachings of hate and violence.
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There are certain punishments I don't agree with. I don't agree with torture. I don't agree with capital punishment.
Long term solitary confinement is something I disagree with as well. It doesn't matter what he has done - I just can't condone that. I wouldn't support the death penalty for Hitler either. Some things are just morally wrong and it doesn't matter who is the recipient.
Whether or not he goes back to a country where he will be subject to unsual punishment or not is irrelevant at this junction. If he fled that country because he comitted criminal acts and knew what the penalty was then I still don't see the problem as the UK should not be a safe haven for criminals who know they will be brutally punished in other lands where they have committed crimes. Even more so if when he comes to the UK he doesn't even bother to keep a low profile and continues with his preachings of hate.
Why should we actually care if he will end up getting his thumbs screwed / eyes gouged out when he is deported. If he kept a clean sheet in his country of origin then he wouldn't be in fear of brutal punishment.
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That isn't what I said. I would have no problem with him being sentenced to life without parole either here or in the US. I have an issue with "life in solitary"
Yep, sometimes the act that would give fair retribution cannot be morally supported.
If somebody murdered a wife and child, I could not commit them to the death penalty. Of course, if somebody murdered my own wife and child... well, you'd have to lock him up to keep him away from me.
If any of the above you describe were used to extract information that then lead to the prevention of a catastrophic terrorist attack thereby saving thousands of lives possibly including your own or your families would you still have the same view ?
Arm Chair diplomacy is easy. When you are actually weighing up the potential outcomes of not doing something then it gets difficult. Governments are charged with the safety of their citizens, sometimes this means having to do 'unspeakable things' to achieve this.
I for one really do not care if the UK were involved in renditioning/deportation or even application of torture methods on terror suspects in order to safeguard our country. It makes my morality high questionable I know, but I can live with it knowing that I am just that little bit safer.
A UK lad was extradited for having a website that had copyright material not long ago I believe.
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Yes. It isn't a question of knowing in advance that torturing one person will save X lives with no chance of error.
Would you be happy for innocent people, including possibly your family, to be tortured in the hope that they might come up with life saving information?
I disagree with that as well.
And he has a billionaire paying for his defense attorney.
I find it quite ironic that these type of people come to the UK, because of all the freedoms and the quality of life, then want to turn the UK into the backwards, medieval hell hole they have just come from.
I for one wish him a warm welcome to the USA
I for one wish him a warm welcome to the USA
There is no evidence at all that torture leads to useful information. Torture is barbaric and anyone who consents to it, or lets it be done in their name has blood on their hands.
