Thinking of taking up a martial art...

Welp, now we have people mentioning Steven Segal as if he proves anything, when in reality, the dude got chocked out and poo'd himself by Gene LeBell, and has never had a competitive fight. It's all well and good to point to his demo's, but they are merely proof he can act, nothing more.
 
ubersonic said:
Not many martial arts enthusiasts do, watching a bunch of strikers and grappler's beat each other senseless and sit on each others faces isn't of interest to every martial artist you know. Also the are no "rules of MMA" as its a blanket term, that's like saying "rules of racing" or "rules of ball games"
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You kind of have a point, what with it being a new sport, but the unified rules that every organisation, bar one or two, are now pretty established and I find it shocking that someone can claim to have studied martial arts for so long would not know them.
 
hurfdurf said:
You shoot a target though right? You don't fire blanks at each other and assume that combat will work the same way.
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Next time I want to practice strikes to the cricoid region you can be my sparring partner. Next up will be toe strikes to the femoral artery - you'll be ok I am an advanced life support instructor I can get you back from the subsequent cardiac arrest. :D Please don't tell me they are ineffective as they are just about the nastiest things going.
 
For the love of whatever, hurfdurf get over the fact that i don't kow all the rules of a MMA fight. I'm totally surprised you're hung up on it.
I know a fair bit about the MA's i have studied.......a lot less about those i haven't. Is that really so hard to grasp?

As for football, whilst i used to play it to death as a kid.....i couldn't tell you the offside rule, serioulsy. :rolleyes:
 
Xordium said:
Next time I want to practice strikes to the cricoid region you can be my sparring partner. Next up will be toe strikes to the femoral artery - you'll be ok I am an advanced life support instructor I can get you back from the subsequent cardiac arrest. :D Please don't tell me they are ineffective as they are just about the nastiest things going.
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Why don't you enter an MMA competition and use them to win then? :p
 
hurfdurf said:
Welp, now we have people mentioning Steven Segal as if he proves anything, when in reality, the dude got chocked out and poo'd himself by Gene LeBell, and has never had a competitive fight. It's all well and good to point to his demo's, but they are merely proof he can act, nothing more.
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You do know that he operated dojos in Japan/American and worked as a martial arts consultant for some big hollywood films before becoming an actor? Oh and he helped train Anderson Silva the UFC Middleweight Champion and Lyoto Machida (he taught him the crane kick he used to KO Randy Couture at UFC 129).
 
hurfdurf said:
Why don't you enter an MMA competition and use them to win then? :p
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Well as you should know being as you are picking other people up on not knowing MMA rules:

1/ Throat strikes are illegal
2/ Their box would prevent you from adequately striking the region with sufficient force to stimulate the aortic sinus or push back the tricuspid valve.
 
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Xordium said:
Well as you should know being as you are picking other people up on not knowing MMA rules:

1/ Throat strikes are illegal
2/ Their box would prevent you from adequately striking the region with sufficient force to stimulate the aortic sinus or push back the tricuspid valve.
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If only you could have fought before the unified rules came into place!
 
The reason (imo) Boxing, MMA, Muay Thai, BJJ and MMA are effective in a self defence situation is because you actually practice them in live situations almost every class (IE - sparring).

This is pretty much the main reason. I do believe that more or less ANY martial art can be useful for self defence but only if hard sparring is involved in class and against other styles.
Unfortunately 99.9% of traditional martial arts do not involve sparring which is why they would be ineffective in a real life situation.

With that being said, the best boxer/mma fighter doesn't stand much of a chance against multiple attackers or a weapon, neither does any traditional martial artist. Sure, they may get lucky and come out alive but it's not that likely.

For for self defence - Run. To learn how to fight - Boxing, muay thai, MMA.

To answer the original question. If your're looking for something to do for fun/fitness just pick something that looks fun to you. There is no right answer to your question so try a few and see how you get on. :)
 
ubersonic said:
You do know that he operated dojos in Japan/American and worked as a martial arts consultant for some big hollywood films before becoming an actor? Oh and he helped train Anderson Silva the UFC Middleweight Champion and Lyoto Machida (he taught him the crane kick he used to KO Randy Couture at UFC 129).
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This is funny though. Does any martial artist in the world not know how to execute a crane kick?

Silva and Machida are just trolling Segal. :)
 
hurfdurf said:
If only you could have fought before the unified rules came into place!
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Tracheal strikes have always been out in pretty much everything for the very reason they are so dangerous. But if you fancy letting a big 18 stone chap like myself whack you in the cricoid region a few times to prove its all a-ok then I am sure there are plenty on OcUK who'll happily watch the footage.
 
hurfdurf - such a shame that you didn't find the right instructor and has lead you to have a low opinion on Aikido. Its ok :) As have mentioned previously and by others its not the art that is flawed but the artist. I actually have an instructor in mind that came to the UK in the 60/70s that was pretty dangerous ;)

Banzai_Joe. Are you still training?
 
Banzai_Joe said:
Another "which is best" thread eh? Always good for a laugh.
Spent of over 24 years studying martial arts, and i've taken the good from all that i've tried and dismissed what i found useless.
I'll not argue points but i have to counter this remark:
"boxing the best self defense"...really? How would a boxer evade/block a low kick?
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By pre-emptively punching them when it's obvious they are going to try something, and keep punching them until they are unconcious.

You're doing it wrong if you're having to defend yourself.
 
ubersonic said:
You do know that he operated dojos in Japan/American and worked as a martial arts consultant for some big hollywood films before becoming an actor? Oh and he helped train Anderson Silva the UFC Middleweight Champion and Lyoto Machida (he taught him the crane kick he used to KO Randy Couture at UFC 129).
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Your credibility just went completely out the window on this subject because you fell for such an obvious and admitted publicity stunt by Blackhouse.
 
hurfdurf said:
A kick to the shin would be perfectly legal in both MMA and K1. How you can say you have studied martial arts for 24 years and not know this is rather.... surprising.
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The quote has me amazed too, I mean, I know folk who smash their blocking shin reapeatedly with a rolling pin to 'flatten' it out and create minor breaks just so it heals up harder and harder...

... while they 'sharpen' their other shin in a similar manner!

oO
 
hurfdurf said:
3 lessons did indeed make me realise it wasn't for me, based on how much nonsense was involved. After being repeatedly told to punch slower and offer less resistance just to demonstrate (lest the move not work basically) I had had enough.
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You don't think maybe the instructor was asking you to slow down because you didn't know any Aikido or anything? You know, to try and teach you it? I "studied" Boxing for years and had an excellent coach, we didn't go full speed right off the bat.
 
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