**EVO Performance Tyre Test 2012**

I was wondering if it was just me, but I'm sure the tyre test this thread related to shows both subjectively and objectively that the Vreds are a little old hat now!
 
Lucero said:
Because, like me and the majorioty of other people on here, you never drive your car anywhere near the limits that makes tyre choice in this range an issue. Sure, I'm not saying put ditch finders on, because that is silly, but a vred sessanta is not going to perform any better or worse than a CSC3 given the style and type of driving we both do. It's not like we go every weekend to the track. A CSC3 is not going to keep you on the road any better than a Sessanta. And, unlike a tyre review where I've lived with them for the best part of 4 years, I can wholeheartedly say they were always better than the GSD3 and the Asyms I had on there last year, without doubt. Quieter, gripier, longer lasting and they stop just as well as any other tyre I've ever used where I've had to stop quickly.

I'm in the same boat as you though. I've never tried a CSC3, but I can't say it's going to make my driving world a better place to be. However, you should at least try the vreds for a full round, and then you can be free to impartially comment on them to your hears content :)
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+1, people talk about buying tyres like we're all driving around in late 90's F1 cars, with big turbos, no traction control, ESP, EDB...the list goes on.

I like Vreds and when comparing them to CS3's, F1 AS1's and GDS3's...I'd take them every time. That said next time around I might plump for the F1 AS2's...
 
So talking to Dan (top bloke!) at Calthorpe Tyres in Olton, he suggested that his customers have pretty much all said that the CSC5 actually has a little less grip than the CSC3 and as a consequence seems to last longer too!

My F1 AS2s are bolted on the back now, the CSC3s (that were on the back) are now on the front and I am enjoying some uber grip all round. Went for a drive round some country roads earlier today in the wet and the car was planted (clearly not pushing it hard enough!). Will update my experiences with the F1s once I have them properly bedded in!
 
Type_R said:
So talking to Dan (top bloke!) at Calthorpe Tyres in Olton, he suggested that his customers have pretty much all said that the CSC5 actually has a little less grip than the CSC3 and as a consequence seems to last longer too!

My F1 AS2s are bolted on the back now, the CSC3s (that were on the back) are now on the front and I am enjoying some uber grip all round. Went for a drive round some country roads earlier today in the wet and the car was planted (clearly not pushing it hard enough!). Will update my experiences with the F1s once I have them properly bedded in!
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Hmm. Contis launch pack had an independent (TUV I think) test of the 5 vs the 3, and found:

9% better wet braking
1% better aquaplaning resistance
4% better dry braking
5% better dry handling
12% better rolling resistance (lower fuel consumption)
13% improved wear
5% quieter

I don't think there will be much of a performance step with the 5, they concentrated on making them last a little longer which was the 3's main issue.
 
How can a tyre which has 12% better rolling resistance (which means less friction on the tarmac) and 12% improved wear be better for dry handling?
 
I think Conti called it "black chilli" technology :D

Ignoring the marketing BS you can essentially lower the rolling resistance and keep grip by altering how the tyre absorbs energy put into it via the compound and carcass.

Premium manufactures spend a lot of money on R&D, Michelin over a million a day. Every new tyre should improve grip and lower rolling resistance.
 
Will be interesting to see the fuel economy differences between the CS3 and the F1A2 when I get them fitted, though I guess it'll be limited as I'm only changing the rears.
 
Remember though, new vs old will have a difference rolling radius, different gearing and different speedo accuracy.
 
[TW]Fox;21060827 said:
Will be interesting to see the fuel economy differences between the CS3 and the F1A2 when I get them fitted, though I guess it'll be limited as I'm only changing the rears.
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According to the EVO test the F1 A2 is a 19% lower RR than the CSC3.
 
jon- said:
According to the EVO test the F1 A2 is a 19% lower RR than the CSC3.
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Quite, potentially very interesting. I saw a dramatic improvement (well ok, not dramatic but quite a big deal from tyre change alone) when moving away from the AS1 to the CS3.

But with CS3's still on the front I'd imagine any benefits will be diluted until I get new fronts.
 
rk88 said:
How can a tyre which has 12% better rolling resistance (which means less friction on the tarmac) and 12% improved wear be better for dry handling?
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Why? Its a better compound so you can tune that at the expense of cost.

RR characteristics are primarily driven by the tyre belt construction rather than compound. This test data proves that you can improve both.
 
Type_R said:
So talking to Dan (top bloke!) at Calthorpe Tyres in Olton, he suggested that his customers have pretty much all said that the CSC5 actually has a little less grip than the CSC3 and as a consequence seems to last longer too!

My F1 AS2s are bolted on the back now, the CSC3s (that were on the back) are now on the front and I am enjoying some uber grip all round. Went for a drive round some country roads earlier today in the wet and the car was planted (clearly not pushing it hard enough!). Will update my experiences with the F1s once I have them properly bedded in!
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Any update. How are the F1AS2 for stiffness ?
 
Simon said:
Any update. How are the F1AS2 for stiffness ?
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Well I cannot comment on the stiffness as such, as they are still bolted to the rear and my Conti's are lasting quite well (i.e. do not need replacing at the moment- also I have decreased the amount I am driving a lot!).

There was one episode of catching the sidewall of the F1AS2 on a sharp kerb at High Wycombe station which left a nice big tear in the sidewall. So that had to be replaced. Seems its not a very stiff sidewall, but to be fair the angle I hit the kerb at, driving out of a tight parking space I would be surprised if any tyre would not end up in the bin as a result.

Grip wise the F1AS2s have been awesome. Cannot comment on the wear rate as they are on the back, so not really being scrubbed hard.
 
I'm needing some new fronts soon as one of them is getting stupidly low. I have balloon tyres and my options in 195/50/15 are:

Goodyear Eagle NCT 5 £60
Goodyear Efficientgrip £64
Continental Premium contact 2 £64
Bridgestone Turanza ER300 £64
Toyo T1R £56

I usually fit Toyo T1R since it's what came on it and it had new ones at the back in February.

The Premium Contact is going to be at least on par,if not better, than the T1R?
 
Jonny ///M said:
I'm needing some new fronts soon as one of them is getting stupidly low. I have balloon tyres and my options in 195/50/15 are:

Goodyear Eagle NCT 5 £60
Goodyear Efficientgrip £64
Continental Premium contact 2 £64
Bridgestone Turanza ER300 £64
Toyo T1R £56

I usually fit Toyo T1R since it's what came on it and it had new ones at the back in February.

The Premium Contact is going to be at least on par,if not better, than the T1R?
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Michelin PE2's for £55

http://www.camskill.co.uk/m53b0s99p...IN_EXALTO2_PILOT_EXALTO_2_-_195_50R15_82V_TL_

if not then get the Contis... Toyo's are for doing runs to the shop
 
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