Your views on gun laws in the UK

Dolph said:
Given that you can make a bomb with kitchen chemicals and nails, or simply chain the fire exits to a building shut and set the place on fire (among many other ways of killing large numbers of people if you are determined/insane enough), I'd beg to differ.

You can't make laws attacking the activities of the general population based on the activities of the very rare lunatic.

You also shouldn't make laws based on fallacies full stop.
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And how many situations have you been in when you would have need to defend your family or yourself with a gun then? Or are you harping on about some odd incident here and there ... I won't bother using the "f" work because to be honest I am bored of it.
 
Dolph said:
Just remember, in your world, only the bloke has the weapon...
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In my world I have fired weapons in anger and hnow that such events even when expected take adjustment and people who were not like that would most likely cause more fatalities. They aren't toys Dolph despite how pretty they look in Call of Duty.
 
Xordium said:
Strange how the people who are used to guns and the effects of them can see this ...
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That is because there is a damn big difference between owning a gun and shooting at targets and using one on a real live person......

If someone attacks you with a gun, the first you will probably know about it is the boom, slight sting and feeling of wetness while you try to figure out how to get your gun out of your bag/holster/glove compartment/safe.......by then it is too late.

Arm the public, arm the Police, arm the criminal. That is the general outcome.
 
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Xordium said:
Situation 1

Bloke walks into a community centre with a knife

Situation 2

Bloke walks into a community centre with a AK-74

Both have 5 mins to kill as many people as possible - who'd you reckon wins? My guess the 2nd chap doesn't have the ammunition or targets to last past 90 secs.
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What's to stop Bob buying an AK on the black market and doing it any way? You're deluded if you think UK gun laws mean anything to a person committed to causing harm.
 
Xordium said:
And how many situations have you been in when you would have need to defend your family or yourself with a gun then? Or are you harping on about some odd incident here and there ... I won't bother using the "f" work because to be honest I am bored of it.
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Thankfully never. However, the law doesn't currently protect me from criminals with weapons, it just ensures that only criminals have weapons.

Xordium said:
In my world I have fired weapons in anger and hnow that such events even when expected take adjustment and people who were not like that would most likely cause more fatalities. They aren't toys Dolph despite how pretty they look in Call of Duty.
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I'm fully aware of that thanks, did the new patronising attitude come with the name change, because you used to be a much better debater than this.
 
Xordium said:
In my world I have fired weapons in anger and hnow that such events even when expected take adjustment and people who were not like that would most likely cause more fatalities. They aren't toys Dolph despite how pretty they look in Call of Duty.
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Oh really? What World is that?

I spent 14 years in the Army. I served in Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan. Despite the situations I experienced, I'd still like to have a gun at home. Do not presume to lecture us like we're little idiots that haven't been in a contact :rolleyes:
 
Castiel said:
That is because there is a damn big difference between owning a gun and shooting at targets and using one on a real live person......

If someone attacks you with a gun, the first you will probably know about it is the boom, slight sting and feeling of wetness while you try to figure out how to get your gun out of your bag/holster/glove compartment/safe.......by then it is too late.

Arm the public, arm the Police, arm the criminal. That is the general outcome.
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CCW doesn't reduce crime by arming the victims, but by arming passers-by...
 
LOL, the British police cannot carry firearms and you think the everyday man on the street should be able to? Madness. It would end in killings every minute or so.
 
Dolph said:
Thankfully never. However, the law doesn't currently protect me from criminals with weapons, it just ensures that only criminals have weapons.
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Absolutely this. Even if the law were ever changed, it isn't going to force anyone to have a gun that doesn't want one. I really don't understand the drama.
 
chilipeppersc said:
LOL, the British police cannot carry firearms and you think the everyday man on the street should be able to? Madness. It would end in killings every minute or so.
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Wrong. The British Police do not want to routinely carry firearms. This question has come up time and time again, and the Police union always states that their members don't want it.
 
Dolph said:
Thankfully never. However, the law doesn't currently protect me from criminals with weapons, it just ensures that only criminals have weapons.
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The law lowers the likelihood that you will encounter a criminal with a firearm, it also lowers the likelihood that a criminal with a firearm would actually use it.

Also the public reaction to anyone with or suspected of having a firearm is far greater in this country than the US, and as such is far more likely to be reported.....not to mention that the law does protect you from criminals with weapons, we have armed response units withing our police forces and unlike joe public, they are actually trained to deal with such situations.
 
RDM said:
I have no real desire to own a gun, I still think the ban on handguns is stupid.
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The ban on handguns was bought in as a direct result of the mass murder of 15 school children and their brave primary school teacher in Dunblane.

It was introduced to prevent another such horrendous tragedy ever happening again and by definition it cannot fail.

I along with the majority of the country support this and think that people who say that this is stupid are utterly selfish and cold blooded!
 
George Hincapie said:
Oh really? What World is that?

I spent 14 years in the Army. I served in Northern Ireland, Bosnia, Iraq and Afghanistan. Despite the situations I experienced, I'd still like to have a gun at home. Do not presume to lecture us like we're little idiots that haven't been in a contact :rolleyes:
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Well I hope your observation skills were better in those theaters than they are here as you can't seem to tell the difference between someone replying to a chap named after a cyclist and a chap named after Dolph Lundgren it seems.
 
Is anyone apart from me actually going to present any statistics to support their position, or is this going to be another OCUK gun laws thread where the only side that provides any evidence is the gun bans are pointless lobby and everyone else just goes on and on about how they think the world should be?

If guns should be banned, then it should be based on evidence. I respect some of the people holding the alternative view to me in this thread, so please, show me the evidence. (Just don't post pointless 'gun murder/gun suicide' numbers are they are meaningless. General rates are far more relevant)
 
Xordium said:
Well I hope your observation skills were better in those theaters than they are here as you can't seem to tell the difference between someone replying to a chap named after a cyclist and a chap named after Dolph Lundgren it seems.
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If that's really the best you can do, then I suggest you toddle off out of this debate. This is a public forum, do not expect responses only from the person addressed. Posting 101.
 
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