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Why do amd like to spoil video quality by default?

Radiation

Radiation

Radiation

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Is it really necessary to have so much post processing on by default, they have more than some tv's do, edge enhancement, dynamic contrast, smooth this, smooth that, noise reduction, skin tones, colour vibrancy and so on, all it does is take a nice normal image and ruin it, i don't have an amd card myself but i noticed it immediately when trying to sort something on my brothers pc, turning it all off made a decent improvement.

Anyway just thought i would warn others who might not realise whats going on, it's pointless for hd and doesn't do much for sd, a little edge enhancement may improve sharpness but thats about it, you're better turning it all off though. :rolleyes:
 
Radiation said:
Is it really necessary to have so much post processing on by default, they have more than some tv's do, edge enhancement, dynamic contrast, smooth this, smooth that, noise reduction, skin tones, colour vibrancy and so on, all it does is take a nice normal image and ruin it, i don't have an amd card myself but i noticed it immediately when trying to sort something on my brothers pc, turning it all off made a decent improvement.

Anyway just thought i would warn others who might not realise whats going on, it's pointless for hd and doesn't do much for sd, a little edge enhancement may improve sharpness but thats about it, you're better turning it all off though. :rolleyes:
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I really don't know much about this, so maybe you can shed some light for me. Would all this post-processing make streaming from the net slower/less fluid too? Or is that strictly a bandwidth issue?
 
Post-processing will take some CPU or GPU time to do so if your hardware spec isn't upto it it can make videos less smooth, etc.

Some post processing can work quite nicely but default settings often result in the video looking chalky or plasticy.
 
Radiation said:
i don't have an amd card myself
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That's why you don't like it, you prefer/used to what your setup playback looks like.

I'm not knocking your perception of disliking AMD video playback, just pointing out why you don't like it.

I use both AMD/Nvidia, using exact same codecs in every systems, personally I prefer playback on AMD due to the vivid, crispness and colour vibrancy.

Nvidia's playback imo, has dull vibrancy and is ever so slightly blurry in comparison with AMD.

It all goes down to personal choice, you don't like it, but, most AMD users will enjoy it because it's what they are used to and when they see Nvidia's settings, they may say similar bad things about Nvidia's settings and vice versa.
 
tommybhoy said:
That's why you don't like it, you prefer/used to what your setup playback looks like.

I'm not knocking your perception of disliking AMD video playback, just pointing out why you don't like it.

I use both AMD/Nvidia, using exact same codecs in every systems, personally I prefer playback on AMD due to the vivid, crispness and colour vibrancy.

Nvidia's playback imo, has dull vibrancy and is ever so slightly blurry in comparison with AMD.

It all goes down to personal choice, you don't like it, but, most AMD users will enjoy it because it's what they are used to and when they see Nvidia's settings, they may say similar bad things about Nvidia's settings and vice versa.
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My personal preference really isn't the problem here, I don't think you realise just how much amd's settings mess with the image quality, you might like vivid colours and sharp edges but i bet you don't like losing detail as thats whats happening with all the post processing going on.

Im used to a natural image, if i compare nvidia or amd to my bluray player there should be very little difference when everything is switched off, our films aren't supposed to look super colourful or excessively sharp you know, it may fool your brain into thinking it's better but in reality it really isn't but hey it's up to you how you view it, i just wanted to warn people who might not know.
 
Tbf, neither nvidia nor amd enable full dynamic range, by default they're both using 16-235 - which is odd considering they turn on everything else most people don't want or need.

I will say though, for a lot of sd flash videos in browsers deblocking is extremely useful full screen, but otherwise, well, it's as if they gave the settings kb to a monkey :)
 
Could you let us know what settings you changed? It seems a little short on details. Are you talking about video or gaming quality? What version of the drivers did your brother have and perhaps more importantly what colour profile for his monitor? Can you link to any similar examples on the web for us to look at? Without those details it just sounds a bit or FUD or red team bashing. Thanks.
 
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on nvidia everything defaults to "use video player setting", so then it will be down to what player you are using, e.g. media player classic seems to have everything off by default
 
tribz said:
Could you let us know what settings you changed? It seems a little short on details. Are you talking about video or gaming quality? What version of the drivers did your brother have and perhaps more importantly what colour profile for his monitor? Can you link to any similar examples on the web for us to look at? Without those details it just sounds a bit or FUD or red team bashing. Thanks.
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The thread title mentions video quality. Therefore it's rather likely he talking about.....video quality. And he doesnt need to give you any information either, just look at the default settings in the video quality tab - edge-enhancement: ON, de-noise: ON, Mosquito noise reductions (de-noise AND Mosquito? really??): ON, de-blocking: ON, Dynamic contrast: ON......... Like I said, it's awful. Might be good for youtube, but it's not good for any half decent video files and it completely ruins bluray :p

tommybhoy said:
That's why you don't like it, you prefer/used to what your setup playback looks like.

I'm not knocking your perception of disliking AMD video playback, just pointing out why you don't like it.
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Sorry but that's nonsense lol
 
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I turn it all off but sometimes like to mess with it now and then as some settings can help when the going gets tough.
 
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james.miller said:
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The thread title mentions video quality. Therefore it's rather likely he talking about.....video quality. And he doesnt need to give you any information either, just look at the default settings in the video quality tab - edge-enhancement: ON, de-noise: ON, Mosquito noise reductions (de-noise AND Mosquito? really??): ON, de-blocking: ON, Dynamic contrast: ON......... Like I said, it's awful. Might be good for youtube, but it's not good for any half decent video files and it completely ruins bluray :p
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I disagree. If he'd included half the information that you have it might had made more sense.
 
image quality is not spoilt by your card, it's spoilt by the display only, i.e a 42'' tv is better for gaming than a 55'' tv... as is normal HD and SD viewing, the larger the screen the poorer the image...... this will always be the case.

all the rest of the stuff you mention is a joke, you cant detect any of it on a big screen, plus finally most of this is controlled by the tv anyway, the card defaults to the monitor's settings.

the most you can ever hope for is a sharp image only
 
Mal X said:
all the rest of the stuff you mention is a joke, you cant detect any of it on a big screen, plus finally most of this is controlled by the tv anyway, the card defaults to the monitor's settings.

the most you can ever hope for is a sharp image only
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rubbish, de-blocking and noise reduction has a massive effect on video, for better or worse.

plus finally most of this is controlled by the tv anyway, the card defaults to the monitor's settings.
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Not True. There is no mechanism whereby the card can talk to the display (tv or monitor) to negotiate those kinds of features.
 
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