Tourists Banned From Dutch Cannabis Cafes

I went back in December. Was a nice place to have a walk around. The problem I found is there were lots of the typical British chav, who had obviously only gone over there for the weed.

What enticed them even more was when P&O did there BOGOF on the ferry. Which made it about £50 a person return trip.
 
Moses said:
The earlier stuff I linked to (from the Royal College of Psychiatrists) for example.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=21788104&postcount=119

As a starting point for a discussion. But no, it's just denied, lol. Or people say, 'yeah, but kids are different'... which I completely accept, but there's still an argument to say we shouldn't let developing brains near it. Eg. based on the above, it might be a good idea to restrict use to over 25s, or something like that.

It's childish to deny any possibility of harm. If it's admitted, I'm hardly going to go, "HAHA!! WELL LOOK, HARM. I WAS RIGHT. BAN ALL THE DRUGS LOL. FIN."... it's just a starting point to look at what regulation is suitable.
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I agree that it should definitely be age-restricted. Sadly, it does seem to mess up undeveloped minds - So if it was to be legalised, there would need to be a strict age restriction in place.

One additional "Con" point is drug driving. Drink Driving is a problem right now, legalising it will mean Drug Driving will become an even bigger problem.

After looking at your source for proving it is harmful - It's just proving that it is effective at damaging young undeveloped minds. We already knew this though - Taking any serious medication at a young age will do the same thing.

I still believe it should be regulated like Alcohol is - People say it ruins lives, but it also ruins lives for people that are caught with simple possession. There are thousands of non-violent drug offenders in our prisons, taking up space and spending more tax money.
 
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arknor said:
you must have lived a very sheltered life if no one in your circle of friends knows a guy
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A friend of a friend perhaps did at one point, but never any of my direct friends, no.

I could make a similar assumption and say you obviously hung around with the wrong type of people, but that would be juvenile.

As an adult, I wouldn't even know where to start, nor would I want such a thing anyway.
 
TommyV said:
It is amazingly easy to get drugs, scarily so! :(
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I suppose it depends on your circles. Sure if you know someone who knows someone who knows someone... I'm sure if I dug a little through some of my acquaintances (rather than my friends) I probably could get an idea - but it'd be hard to do is subtly. Although I have absolutely no inclination to wanting to and am really not interested in them. However, owing to my gym social circle, I could if I wanted to get my hands on performance enhancing drugs - so I guess you're right, it's who you know. Since i have no interest in that sort of thing I have no friends who are in tune with that sort of thing either.

I really don't "get" it - I get high just going to gym, or eating some nice food, or spending time with loved ones. I think it's a shame that people feel the need to use drugs to take them away from reality. :(

I've been to Amsterdam many many times, and I've never walked into a coffee shop for "that". It's just not interesting to me. I've got better things to spend my money on.

Frankly I'm fed up with drugs being a major source of crime - it's just so stupid.
 
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Freefaller said:
I suppose it depends on your circles. Sure if you know someone who knows someone who knows someone... I'm sure if I dug a little through some of my acquaintances (rather than my friends) I probably could get an idea - but it'd be hard to do is subtly. Although I have absolutely no inclination to wanting to and am really not interested in them.

I really don't "get" it - I get high just going to gym, or eating some nice food, or spending time with loved ones. I think it's a shame that people feel the need to use drugs to take them away from reality. :(

I've been to Amsterdam many many times, and I've never walked into a coffee shop for "that". It's just not interesting to me. I've got better things to spend my money on.
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Indeed. I think it's sad really. :(
 
Marky said:
To that I say: Prove it's harmful.

Smoking anything will be harmful, as your lungs don't like smoke. But with the likes of Vaporisers becoming more and more popular, users can do it harm-free.
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Go speak to your local doctor and tell me cannabis does no harm, many Doctors have told me there are an increasing number of people seeking help due to debilitating anxiety because of cannabis use, it's too strong these days, I'm not saying that cannabis actually gives you anxiety but I have no doubt in my mind that it can awaken it in individuals that have it laying dormant, if you have any bad mental health genes smoking this stuff is like smoking a time bomb.

Also another anecdotal point, you compare affluent successful people to poorer unsuccessful people, which group do you think will be smoking weed the most?, everyone that is successful in my family doesn't touch the stuff, you walk onto an affluent housing estate, ask these people if they smoke weed, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone, yet in all the poor areas that I lived in everyone and their dog smokes it and they defend it to hilt saying it helps them, well it certainly doesn't help them out of the gutter, that's for sure, cannabis is a magnet to impoverished areas and it stops many people from getting the real help they need , my friend straight out admits if the drug didn't exist he would be forced to get help.
 
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Moses said:
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They came out after his sentance (probaly one of the cases that infulenced the new guide lines actually) and they are, in fact, pretty blooming different, esp for small grows. But we still have the problem of assuming that every plant is worth 40g of end product.

Mate, you are missing the point that he has previous for it, and that he was under a suspended sentance for the same. And you are reading the new guidlines wrong :S 16 months is not a catagory one or two offence.......... It's a catagory 3 'lesser' offense.
 
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Freefaller said:
I suppose it depends on your circles. Sure if you know someone who knows someone who knows someone... I'm sure if I dug a little through some of my acquaintances (rather than my friends) I probably could get an idea - but it'd be hard to do is subtly. Although I have absolutely no inclination to wanting to and am really not interested in them. However, owing to my gym social circle, I could if I wanted to get my hands on performance enhancing drugs - so I guess you're right, it's who you know. Since i have no interest in that sort of thing I have no friends who are in tune with that sort of thing either.

I really don't "get" it - I get high just going to gym, or eating some nice food, or spending time with loved ones. I think it's a shame that people feel the need to use drugs to take them away from reality. :(

I've been to Amsterdam many many times, and I've never walked into a coffee shop for "that". It's just not interesting to me. I've got better things to spend my money on.

Frankly I'm fed up with drugs being a major source of crime - it's just so stupid.
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Like Hookers? :D :p Joking

Full know what you mean, sadly taking a few drags from a spliff is different than doing something at the gym (and I've done both)

I don't do it now (I say now, never really started) as it's no different than getting a damn head rush to me....And I hate those things :p
 
TommyV said:
Hello peeps!

I'm flying out there this Friday, will I be affected?
I want to get mashed and bang multiple hookers.

Cheers!!
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The hookers are always there, if you are short on cash I would advice going for the African ones over in the dodgey alley area on the out skirts.

True Story
 
Freefaller said:
I think it's a shame that people feel the need to use drugs to take them away from reality. :(
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I think it's wrong to assume the only reason to take drugs is to escape 'reality'.
Many people take drugs because it's fun, like how playing video games is fun.
 
Moses said:
Haha, I was still in the 'it's class C' mindset :o. Still, category three is more than 6kg (between 6kg and 40kg). That still sounds like quite a lot...
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Well you have mitigating features too, which I'm sure were used both ways. The largest mitigating feautre will have been the fact he was on a suspended sentance for it.

But even then 6kg is just not a realistic figure, that would mean over 4oz from each of his plants and we are back to there being no way he could fit 56 4oz plants in his house, without it being turned into an industrial factory!!! If that were the case he would have been looking at like 8 years in prison so it obviously was not the case. Thats what I mean by knowing if it was he would have recieved a lot more jail time.

Tee hee, and if it was 40kg of smoke that would be 56 25oz MONSTER plants growing in a massive orchard! xD
 
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I read the judge said he wouldn't hand down a custodial sentence if Winston agreed to stop medicating wth Cannabis, He refused. How true it is I dont know (From Clear-uk)

Fair play to him!
 
It's a first step towards an outright ban which I think is sure to follow. I'm mixed on if it's a good thing or a bad thing especially since the dutch government changed the rules on tabaco smoke and forced it into little glass boxes in the cafe's. The nice cafe's have always been a good thing in my mind but there are too many dives full of wasted loosers.

the tourist argument is a tricky one as I'm sure they will see a drop in numbers initially but this maybe balanced out by those that were put off by the scene.

Interesting times as the one country in Europe with a relaxed drug's policy that many smokers held up as an example decides to reverse the situation.
 
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