Tourists Banned From Dutch Cannabis Cafes

lowrider007 said:
Go speak to your local doctor and tell me cannabis does no harm, many Doctors have told me there are an increasing number of people seeking help due to debilitating anxiety because of cannabis use, it's too strong these days, I'm not saying that cannabis actually gives you anxiety but I have no doubt in my mind that it can awaken it in individuals that have it laying dormant, if you have any bad mental health genes smoking this stuff is like smoking a time bomb.

Also another anecdotal point, you compare affluent successful people to poorer unsuccessful people, which group do you think will be smoking weed the most?, everyone that is successful in my family doesn't touch the stuff, you walk onto a affluent housing estate, ask these people if they smoke weed, you'll be hard pressed to find anyone, yet in all the poor areas that I lived in everyone and their dog smokes it that they defend it to hilt saying it helps them, well it certainly doesn't help them out of the gutter, that's for sure, cannabis is a magnet to impoverished areas and it stops many people from getting the real help they need , my friend straight out admits if the drug didn't exist he would be forced to get help.
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And on the other hand I've heard Doctors say it's completely harmless. People definitely have contradicting views on it. I'm sorry that you know people that have said that it has "ruined their lives", drugs can ruin lives, and I'm a strong believer in helping abusers rather than throwing them in jail. But in my opinion, it's no worse than being an alcoholic.

They say "Everything in Moderation", and I believe that is the same for the likes of Alcohol and Cannabis.
 
Robbo said:
Not for most people, for 'dodgy' folk, I'm sure it is.
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You'd be surprised. Probably not something which is discussed within your friendship groups, which is completely understandable, but I bet at least one person you know could get hold of it at the drop of a hat.

I can't remember the last time I struggled to obtain some - now I've said that, I'll probably struggle to get for the next month... pesky fate :p
 
yhack said:
I think it's wrong to assume the only reason to take drugs is to escape 'reality'.
Many people take drugs because it's fun, like how playing video games is fun.
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I admit some ignorance, though I did used to smoke when I was younger, because I thought I enjoyed it, and I realised that I actually didn't. I don't really have an addictive personality so quitting was easy, but the "rush" and the feel of nicotine didn't do much for me, neither does that buzz from alcohol. I got for months without drinking as I don't need it, I enjoy the taste of wine and a few beers but it's the social aspect that's FAR more fun and interesting for me. For me to enjoy that social aspect I'd rather drive to enjoy the socialising rather than miss it because I couldn't have a drink.

I guess it affects people differently. I don't understand why people play hours of computer games. Sure I play the odd one or two from time to time, but I just don't "get" it.

I fully accept it is ignorance on my behalf, however, from my fitness geek point of view, doing something which alters your mind/perception and affects your body in such a way cannot be a good thing. Okay, you'll swing it back that going to the gym and eating a decent diet will affect hormonal patterns as well, but it's a sympathetic reaction rather than an artificial overpowering one - and it does me some good.

I'm not keen on an autocratic system don't get me wrong, but there are some things that even if legal shouldn't be glamorised.
 
TommyV said:
I agree! Legalising! :D
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There are compelling arguments on both sides - like removing the power from the crime syndicates, and ensuring decent quality products, more income to the government and so on.

However, accepting that "drugs are good/cool" is a little funny for me. Heck, doctors used to prescribe cigarettes in the past before they realised how absolutely destructive they were for your health.

Like sex for example, completely legal (at a certain age), yet now, so much of it is piped all around tv, the internet and is now almost "acceptable"... Don't get me wrong, I'm slightly hippy-like in my attitude for sex - however, not until you are mature enough to understand it. So many more kids are so much more sexually aware, curious and behaving way too old for their age.

I think maturing as a people is important, but I think we're having a lot of our innocence taken from us which some could argue is good, but I still hold onto that romantic notion that we are born innocent and should be discovering things only when we have the tools to be able to deal with them. I know... I live in a dream world.
 
Glad I got to go back in the good years twice when there was no smoking ban, you could smoke what you want, fungi was available freely and you had no clamp downs :p

Luckily the smoking inside tabacco bit didnt really bother me, however, smoking weed pure is stupid IMO, I can't handle smoking it at all now let alone pure.

Maybe its just my age, but it makes me really paranoid and head way too cloudy, I remember sitting in the cafe completely zapped, didnt want to move, head felt like **** and just wanted to go to sleep.

Unfortunatly now its going to be hello to the black market and more crime

Saying that
 
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Moses said:
6kg must be a realistic figure. It was at least 6kg, but no more than 40kg (probably).

They're not just figures I've made up...
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Honestly man, theres no way he could fit even the smaller ammount into his house without it being a set up like the real crims have, and if so he really would have recieved more jail time.


All this talk is making me miss the growers I knew in holland. They are so passionate about their grows :(


I know... I live in a dream world.
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We need dreamers :) how else would dreams ever come true otherwise!
 
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DJMK4 said:
Unfortunatly now its going to be hello to the black market and more crime
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Pretty much hit the nail on the head here. They're only taking away money from official, well regulated businesses and putting it into the hands of the dodgy dealers. Then for all you know they could have put any kind of nasty things in it. This decision is bad for everyone in the end.
 
Sad that im going to miss out on the dutch holiday. With this change the likelyhood of going to holland is zero. I don't like flowers, don't ride a bike and hookers are off limits as im married. Yes there might be a lot off things to do in holland but the main reason to go visit, for me, is now gone.
 
lowrider007 said:
This is an interesting read from the Office of National Drug Control Policy,

https://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/pdf/marijuana_myths_facts.pdf

All the sources/reference's are listed on pages 30-42.
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That is definitely an interesting read - And whilst I would agree with some points in it, I won't agree with most :p This is purely because most of these points can be cured with the likes of legalisation and regulation.

It's been proven to not be Chemically addictive, the only way it can be addictive is a mental addiction. But this is normal with everything in life. You can be mentally addicted to playing a game. Even more so, you can be chemically addicted to Caffeine - Should we ban Coffee?

The whole smoking Cannabis is as bad as smoking Tabacco case is no longer a worry when using vaporisers (Which more and more medicinal users are using nowadays).

The worry of "not knowing where your money is going" would disappear with the likes of regulation. Only licensed growers will be able to take part in a regulated stance, so you would know for sure it won't be laced, and you will know that the money goes towards growing and towards the government.

TommyV said:
May have already been linked,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...lor-calls-for-cannabis-cafes-in-Brighton.html

lol!
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This has been requested in the past - I personally don't think it'll go ahead unless the whole of the UK was part of it.
 
elmuzzy66. said:
Sad that im going to miss out on the dutch holiday. With this change the likelyhood of going to holland is zero. I don't like flowers, don't ride a bike and hookers are off limits as im married. Yes there might be a lot off things to do in holland but the main reason to go visit, for me, is now gone.
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Theres loads.

The beers amazing compared to here, the city itself is lovely, there are are countless things to do just in the city, let alone in surrounding citys. And it's just amusing to look around all of the 'hooker' areas.
 
elmuzzy66. said:
Sad that im going to miss out on the Dutch holiday. With this change the likelihood of going to Holland is zero. I don't like flowers, don't ride a bike and hookers are off limits as I'm married. Yes there might be a lot off things to do in Holland but the main reason to go visit, for me, is now gone.
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So what would you of done in Holland then then if your not a fan of the touristy 'things'?, just get stoned in a cafe?

Marky said:
That is definitely an interesting read - And whilst I would agree with some points in it, I won't agree with most :p it.
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Believe it or not I actually don't agree with half of them myself but like you say it is an interesting read and it brings up some interesting points.
 
Marky said:
Pretty much hit the nail on the head here. They're only taking away money from official, well regulated businesses and putting it into the hands of the dodgy dealers. Then for all you know they could have put any kind of nasty things in it. This decision is bad for everyone in the end.
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There will always be the black market in Amsterdam anyway, with or without cabbabis being traded in the cafes (for locals and non-locals), however its a black market for illegal sex trade outside of the red light district, and harder drugs which are illegal end of.

All they will be doing is giving more control of the trade their back over to these people on the streets by adding cabbabis to their shop shelf.

You are right, Amsterdam is a very beautiful city, but so is a lot of other cities in the world.
 
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Delvis said:
Theres loads.

The beers amazing compared to here, the city itself is lovely, there are are countless things to do just in the city, let alone in surrounding citys. And it's just amusing to look around all of the 'hooker' areas.
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Amsterdam - From what I've seen through pictures - is a beautiful city with loads of things to do other than the obvious. However, I know for a fact, that at least a third of tourism in Amsterdam is purely for Cannabis Cafes and other naughty things :p

Tourism will be affected - It would be interesting to see (That's if this goes ahead), whether they will change their mind 6 months down the line when their tourism levels decline hard.
 
1/3rd of tourism is because of weed?!! Don't be ridiculous!!!

Sure, i can accept that there may be a dip initially, but the dynamic of the tourist profile will change, and it'll bounce back. Lots of small tiny towns in the middle of nowhere get tourists, so a big major city like Amsterdam still will. London doesn't have legal weed, yet gets lots of tourism....
 
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