Tourists Banned From Dutch Cannabis Cafes

Being sensible is not a laughable thing.

In my experience the kind of people who frequently use cannabis are morally suspect at absolute best. It's generally the people you'd describe as a bit 'sad', often from stereotypical broken homes. Of course I'm sure not everyone is like this, but it's what I've found.

If it's all so easy to obtain, why do you even want it legalised anyway? You obviously don't respect the law and have zero problems obtaining the substances from your drug dealer friends.

Driving on an empty motorway at 180mph is something I would deem to be 'safe' and may enjoy doing, yet I'd be in a lot of trouble if I was caught doing it - so I don't do it.

It's a simple premise really, you know you are breaking the law, even if you don't agree with the law itself - that in itself is out of order. You're happy to put your career and future at risk over something so stupid? Extremely bizarre.

so, the doors, the stones, the beetles, oasis etc all "morally suspect". well, i take my oasis comment back :D

when i was a student maybe 90% of my mates all smoked. are they morally suspect too? prince harry smoked... is he morally suspect?!?!

i think you see idiots smoking pot and assume only idiots smoke it. you just need to broaden your horizons more.
 
Driving on an empty motorway at 180mph is something I would deem to be 'safe' and may enjoy doing, yet I'd be in a lot of trouble if I was caught doing it - so I don't do it.

I bet you never drive your car above 70 miles an hour do you Robbo?
 
A bad drug trip? On pot? Regardless, that's not the point of his argument, it's about hurting oneself and the cost to society because of it.

Plenty of that happening... as realbabelfish pointed out there are so many different types out there. Then again people spazz out on an alcoholic binge :/ They may have the take the day off to recover - so costing society again (not sure how though).

How does it cost society? Unless of course those people work on the public sector or are on benefits. A private company would stump up the cost, and besides, a lot of jobs can be done remotely from home if needs be.

The long term positives of exercises and rendering yourself healthier outweighs the minuscule chance of a work altering injury. So I can't really buy that argument I'm afraid. It makes you less of a cost long term on society as you reduce your chance of diabetes, obesity and other long term conditions, ergo spending less time in the NHS. The amount of people injuring themselves in a gym or going for run is insignificant. More people are knocked off their bikes cycling to work :(

All these things happen already :S so, considering that would you not rather the drugs they are using were clean? and the money they spent on it was going to the goverment?

I'd rather they weren;'t used at all than "clean" - and sure the crime aspect would be great - but as already discussed it's just not that easy - there are far too many long term effect, behavioural and psychological effects to be considered, as well as the ability to work, be a functioning member of society. There's a growing amount of obesity, and alcoholism in this country - so clearly as a society we are not able to apply any self control - what happens if we start putting more potent products out there.

I live in London, and I'm under no illusions that there are many dens where unfathomable things take place... heck I drive around London where I can smell weed being smoked in cars, let alone walking around Brixton with it being pushed on every street corner!! :/ So there is already a hugely relaxed view of drug taking in this country. This is not a good thing IMO.

Personally, what I feel will happen long term is a full circle. Society will carry on pushjing the boundaries, keep going into an ever decreasing circle, increased drug use, decriminalisation to legalisation through to banning again.

I know some drugs are fine, and some drugs if taken with care and moderation can enhance one's life - I'm not that ignorant. However, society as a whole is not mature enough to deal with this. It's just too much for it to deal with, and it will fall apart in my opinion.

I'm happy to be proved wrong an really wish I will be - but if I'm honest, I'd rather live in a slightly ignorant world, where I don't have to deal with drugs day to day, and not have to worry about protecting those around me from those that do.
 
so, the doors, the stones, the beetles, oasis etc all "morally suspect". well, i take my oasis comment back :D

when i was a student maybe 90% of my mates all smoked. are they morally suspect too? prince harry smoked... is he morally suspect?!?!

i think you see idiots smoking pot and assume only idiots smoke it. you just need to broaden your horizons more.

That's not what I'm assuming and unsurprisingly you overlooked where I said "of course I'm sure not everyone is like this, but it's what I've found".

The simple fact is that all of those people are breaking the law and they are doing it knowingly. That is what is morally suspect. Just because you don't agree something should be illegal doesn't mean you can ignore it.

I bet you never drive your car above 70 miles an hour do you Robbo?

I do very rarely (;)), but never to a point where I'd face a ban for example if I were caught.

I know some drugs are fine, and some drugs if taken with care and moderation can enhance one's life - I'm not that ignorant. However, society as a whole is not mature enough to deal with this. It's just too much for it to deal with, and it will fall apart in my opinion.

I'm happy to be proved wrong an really wish I will be - but if I'm honest, I'd rather live in a slightly ignorant world, where I don't have to deal with drugs day to day, and not have to worry about protecting those around me from those that do.

Most people cannot even manage alcohol properly, making drugs a free for all would be a disaster for society.
 
Being sensible is not a laughable thing.

Nobody said it was. However not trying something because you deem yourself too old to is.

In my experience the kind of people who frequently use cannabis are morally suspect at absolute best. It's generally the people you'd describe as a bit 'sad', often from stereotypical broken homes. Of course I'm sure not everyone is like this, but it's what I've found.

Those same people could drink and take harder drugs too... it doesn't mean if you did, you would somehow turn into them :p

If it's all so easy to obtain, why do you even want it legalised anyway? You obviously don't respect the law and have zero problems obtaining the substances from your drug dealer friends.

I value freedom and I do not believe it's someone else's place to tell someone they cannot do partake in something that isn't negatively affecting somebody else.

'drug dealer friends' - You're tyring to demonise people who don't hurt anybody... why do you feel the need to? I certainly don't.

Driving on an empty motorway at 180mph is something I would deem to be 'safe' and may enjoy doing, yet I'd be in a lot of trouble if I was caught doing it - so I don't do it.

You don't do it because you could get in trouble for it? See, I wouldn't do it because I could hurt somebody else. I guess that's the difference between respecting the law and respecting other people.

It's a simple premise really, you know you are breaking the law, even if you don't agree with the law itself - that in itself is out of order.

Why is it out of order? I feel the law is unjust, nobody is hurt or even affected by my actions, so excuse me if I don't feel too bad over it.

You're happy to put your career and future at risk over something so stupid? Extremely bizarre.

Assumption. My career is not affected in the slightest.
 

Fair enough :)

The only person I've ever known (out of many) who spazzed out on pot had underlying mental problems. But here we get back to what the drug council were saying... as I've seen waaaaay more people spaz out afer a few drinks.

The 'cycles' point is an interesting one. With various things history has shown that to be the case!
 
'drug dealer friends' - You're tyring to demonise people who don't hurt anybody... why do you feel the need to? I certainly don't.

They are dealing you illegal substances are they not? It's just a description.

You don't do it because you could get in trouble for it? See, I wouldn't do it because I could hurt somebody else. I guess that's the difference between respecting the law and respecting other people.

I respect both, it was just an example. Just because you deem something to be right in your opinion doesn't mean you can ignore the law unfortunately.

Why is it out of order? I feel the law is unjust, nobody is hurt or even affected by my actions, so excuse me if I don't feel too bad over it.

Assumption. My career is not affected in the slightest.

If you got a criminal record (or you have one and further convictions were added), most companies wouldn't like that.
 
The government here is clearly high, the only result this will have is an increase in dealers near coffee shops...

Idiots should legalize & tax it like tobacco...
Just because you don't agree something should be illegal doesn't mean you can ignore it.
If you can get away with it then yes.

Marijuana should not be illegal ( I'm not a pot smoker, tried it 2 or 3 times in my whole life, last time was years ago) and it is morally suspect to disallow it, more than braking the law. The govt. ( bunch of old grey haired fossiles who have no idea it's 2012) has no right telling people to do or not do pot...
 
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They are dealing you illegal substances are they not? It's just a description.

Substances being the bud from a plant.

I respect both, it was just an example.

Well it was a poor comparison. In your scenario you have the potential to kill many people by going 180 MPH...

Just because you deem something to be right in your opinion doesn't mean you can ignore the law unfortunately.

I agree somewhat. However it's not really just an opinion... where's the wrong if there's nobody is being hurt or put in danger?

If you got a criminal record (or you have one and further convictions were added), most companies wouldn't like that.

I guess it could. Another reason for legalisation though.
 
so, the doors, the stones, the beetles, oasis etc all "morally suspect". well, i take my oasis comment back :D

when i was a student maybe 90% of my mates all smoked. are they morally suspect too? prince harry smoked... is he morally suspect?!?!

i think you see idiots smoking pot and assume only idiots smoke it. you just need to broaden your horizons more.

It's easy to cherry pick a few rich people that smoke or rather smoked ;) it, how many of your university friends smoke cannabis now well into their 30's?

And tbh yes, I do mostly see idiots smoking weed, why is it that it's predominantly poor dysfunctional communities that are rife with cannabis rather than middle or upper class suburbs?

Actually thinking it about perhaps a poll would be a good idea, I'll bet you £10 paypal that majority of successful people on here don't smoke cannabis, and per capita those that do are less successful.

Also Robbo makes a good point, when your buying your also supporting a dealer, and then he/she is either growing it or sourcing it from someone else, it's a nasty chain of illegal activities your supporting just to be able to '**** out', if you need the drug bad enough to break the law and support drug dealers (yeah I'm sure these are nice people your handing your money over to) then I think you need help tbh.
 
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Substances being the bud from a plant.

Still, it's deemed to be illegal. Everything dangerous comes from something raw like a plant.

Well it was a poor comparison. In your scenario you have the potential to kill many people by going 180 MPH...

I did say empty though... :p

I agree somewhat. However it's not really just an opinion... where's the wrong if there's nobody is being hurt or put in danger?

I suppose the argument could be that you are possibly putting yourself in danger and/or others. I know you could apply this to many things so it's loose reasoning, but as I do keep saying, the law is the law.

Actually thinking it about perhaps a poll would be a good idea, I'll be you £10 paypal that majority of successful people on here don't smoke cannabis, and per capita those that do are less successful.

And those that do are always very vocal. However they are happy to keep smoking it under threat of a criminal record and so forth despite the fact it will likely never be legalised in the UK. Why would it? I just can't see it.
 
It's easy to cherry pick a few rich people that smoke or rather smoked ;) it, how many of your university friends smoke cannabis now well into their 30's?

And tbh yes, I do mostly see idiots smoking weed, why is it that it's predominantly poor dysfunctional communities that are rife with cannabis rather than middle or upper class suburbs?

Actually thinking it about perhaps a poll would be a good idea, I'll be you £10 paypal that majority of successful people on here don't smoke cannabis, and per capita those that do are less successful.

Also Robbo makes a good point, when your buying your also supporting a dealer, and then he/she is either growing it or sourcing it from someone else, it's a nasty chain of illegal activities your supporting just to be able to '**** out', if you need the drug bad enough to break the law and support drug dealers (yeah I'm sure these are nice people your handing your money over to) then I think you need help tbh.

Just because there are "successful" people on here that don't smoke doesn't mean that when you smoke you become unsuccessful.

I don't know too many people that smoke it, but of the ones that do, I would say 80% of them are respectable members of society. There are too many people that immediately "judge a book by its cover", and label someone too quickly.
 
I suppose the argument could be that you are possibly putting yourself in danger and/or others. I know you could apply this to many things so it's loose reasoning, but as I do keep saying, the law is the law.

I don't see how someone simply smoking cannabis could put others in danger.

lowrider007, what do you think the guy 3rd in on your sig is smoking?
 
I suppose the argument could be that you are possibly putting yourself in danger and/or others. I know you could apply this to many things so it's loose reasoning, but as I do keep saying, the law is the law.

I'm only playing devils bumhole here, so please don't take this personally :D

You admit to speeding dude, like you know, a ton of dangerous weapon. It's all well and good saying, but you are breaking the law, the law is the law, but you do it yourself with something that could kill other people. I'm sure you only rarely go above the speed limit because you feel safe, but, it's a bit kettle and black pots.

Now, compare that to a guy smoking cannabis on a nice sunny day somewhere, breaking the law? Sure. Could kill people? No way.
 
I was actually going to comment on this - Gorillaz are well known for being pro-cannabis and I think many of the "community" like them also.

Aye but he's seen some idiots smoking... therefore cannabis is only for the likes of them. That's actually one of the ways it was so easily to get it made illegal in America. Weed was primarily seen to be smoked by the blacks at the time... add in a bit of propaganda and boom, you have the general public's support for a ban.

Not Only that, but Lowrider, LowRyder

LowRyder is a strain of Cannabis :p

ahaha
 
Yeah, gotta love the ironing in that :D


general public's support for a ban.
Yep, a ban that had everything to do with petro chemical profits, believe it or not.


In the 1930's, Ford Motor Company operated a successful biomass fuel conversion plant using cellulose at Iron Mountain, Michigan. Ford engineers extracted methanol, charcoal fuel, tar, pitch ethyl-acetate and creosote from hemp. The same fundamental ingredients for industry were also being made from fossil fuels..........
 
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