**GTX 690 @ OcUK!!**

[rolypolyman]

first off, your TV is 1080p so you don't need this card anyway, a £300 card will do

second, you can't compare your TV which is based on 10 year old technology and is mass produced / mass market to something that is cutting edge and produced in relatively small quantities (the fact that your 3D 40" TV is £500 indicates it's an older model about to go EOL so whilst it has all the bells and whistles it doesn't have the machine that goes PING! that the newer ones have)

third, market price is set by the market, if people didn't pay the money for these cards then the manufacturers would drop the prices so just because you don't attach that value to this card, lots of people do, enough for nvidia to make a profit from



the TV equivalent of this card would be a 2K display which is like £10K...

Funny, I thought all this card does better than most other cards was produce better FPS, wouldn't have thought graphics cards have changed all that much. Also 10yrs ago i had the biggest, heaviest, bulkiest Sony CRT that only me and my son could lift. FYI my TV is not old tech, very new technology actually and that price was very good value. I am aware you can pay stupid amounts for other tv's, I suppose I was trying to point out the TV seems far better value for money than the £800 graphics card but that point seems to have eluded you.

 

[andybird123]

Funny, I thought all this card does better than most other cards was produce better FPS, wouldn't have thought graphics cards have changed all that much.

Then you clearly don't understand anything about graphics cards as the GTX 680/690 are capable of lots of things that the previous gen isn't. Though much like 3D TV they require the content to fully justify their "value".

I understood the point you were failing to convincingly make. Your comparison was flawed due the reasons I already pointed out to you which you obviously failed to grasp. You are comparing apples to lobster and thinking that is worth drawing a conclusion from.

Just because you had a rubbish TV 10 years ago doesn't mean that the technology to produce the one you have now didn't exist. Where as the technology to produce the 680 (e.g. 28nm manufacturing) actually didn't exist 10 years ago.

out of interest, what TV do you have? I'm looking at buying a new TV and if there is a decent 3D TV for £500 I might want to buy one, as the best one I can find for a decent price so far is £700

 

[ToxicTBag]

Am due for a lottery win ... mark me down for 2 please they look really good

 

[Culinia]

Thats a single player bench m8

I'm assuming that multi-player is more demanding?

 

[rolypolyman]

Then you clearly don't understand anything about graphics cards as the GTX 680/690 are capable of lots of things that the previous gen isn't. Though much like 3D TV they require the content to fully justify their "value".

I understood the point you were failing to convincingly make. Your comparison was flawed due the reasons I already pointed out to you which you obviously failed to grasp. You are comparing apples to lobster and thinking that is worth drawing a conclusion from.

Just because you had a rubbish TV 10 years ago doesn't mean that the technology to produce the one you have now didn't exist. Where as the technology to produce the 680 (e.g. 28nm manufacturing) actually didn't exist 10 years ago.

out of interest, what TV do you have? I'm looking at buying a new TV and if there is a decent 3D TV for £500 I might want to buy one, as the best one I can find for a decent price so far is £700

I know they produce a nice image which is displayed on a screen, I doubt it looks any better than my tv. Oh and the old Sony CRT was far from rubbish by the way and was probably more expensive than my current one, but then technology has gotten cheaper hasn't it, except for graphics cards apparantly. This is the TV by the way (from Sainsburys) and I can thoroughly recommend it as I think it is great value for money, unlike the £800 graphics card.

 

[jallan]

I've just bought a new 40" 3D TV with all the bells and whistles which looks fantastic and produces great pictures. Having just watched Legend of the Guardians, a must watch movie for 3D fans, I was gobsmacked at the quality. How much did this tv cost which will last me years, £499.99!! Now how much is this graphics card again, mmm...... and it will be obsolete how soon and many of you guys seem to think this is ok.
PC gaming will be dead and buried at this rate and certainly before my new TV is past it.
£800 quid, jesus.........

Tell that to Ferrari

Premium product at premium prices... they're still going right? How many years later?

I suppose I was trying to point out the TV seems far better value for money than the £800 graphics card but that point seems to have eluded you.

It is merely your perception of the perceived benefits of the goods, someone on the other hand might think the £800 graphics card is fantastic value for brand new tech rather than £499 for a TV that was probably made 2 years, sold in bulk from a Chinese factory and labelled under a random brand and bundled with a warranty.

 

[andybird123]

I know they produce a nice image which is displayed on a screen, I doubt it looks any better than my tv. Oh and the old Sony CRT was far from rubbish by the way and was probably more expensive than my current one, but then technology has gotten cheaper hasn't it, except for graphics cards apparantly. This is the TV by the way (from Sainsburys) and I can thoroughly recommend it as I think it is great value for money, unlike the £800 graphics card.

not really, that's the point I was trying to make... that TV might be quite good in your opinion but it isn't cutting edge

the GTX690 IS cutting edge, whether or not you place value on that is an entirely different conversation, in much the same way that you don't seem to place any value on that TV you've got vs. a 2K display at £10K+

that TV you've posted is ok, and probably about right for the price, however I prefer passive 3D as shutter glasses are a) expensive, b) annoying and c) give me motion sickness after half an hour, so for me, not so great value

I also personally wouldn't buy a Sharp as mentioned above they tend to be cheap rebranded TV's and I've fallen foul of Sharp's warranty process in the past (once bitten and all that)

see, it's subjective that value thing

 

[bru]

Agreed

If your going to compare the GTX690 to a TV then you should be picking the very latest high end tech you can like

sharp-shows-off-the-worlds-first-super-hi-vision-lcd/

Your not going to picking one of those up for a mere £800

 

[snout]

So Nvidia say 999 dollars :

999.00 USD = 615.853 GBP
US Dollar British Pound
1 USD = 0.616470 GBP 1 GBP = 1.62214 USD

Current !

Does that mean £185 VAT ? Rip off time incoming.

 

[Maker]

So Nvidia say 999 dollars :

999.00 USD = 615.853 GBP
US Dollar British Pound
1 USD = 0.616470 GBP 1 GBP = 1.62214 USD

Current !

Does that mean £185 VAT ? Rip off time incoming.

It will be the VAT that kills the bank account or the pocket what ever you like to call it its the VAT that kills everything these days

 

[buchtis]

Good looking card, can't wait to see some benches and temps.

 

[FMTopfan]

So Nvidia say 999 dollars :

999.00 USD = 615.853 GBP
US Dollar British Pound
1 USD = 0.616470 GBP 1 GBP = 1.62214 USD

Current !

Does that mean £185 VAT ? Rip off time incoming.

Nope, VAT would be £123 at 20% = £738 - you worked it out at 30%.

Direct conversion never works for the UK, if it's no more than Gibbo's £800 estimate then I'm sure stock will go fast. As long as the demand remains high, I can only see this price increasing whilst TSMC are behind with 28nm fab production til the end of this year unless they start increasing capacity sooner which is very unlikely as quoted below. This has been the case since August 2011. Not a good scenario for a flag-ship product with far fewer sales as the products down the range usually pick up the majority of sales.

The tight supply of chips made at TSMC utilizing 28nm technology is a result of both relatively low yields (which are gradually improving) and TSMC's reluctance to quickly boost manufacturing capacities "in order to maintain gross margins", reports DigiTimes web-site.

TSMC itself is claimed to be conservative in its 28nm expansion plans until rumoured yields - the percentage of working chips to discarded silicon - are improved, although the company continues its expansion work on Fab 14 with a view to increasing its total capacity 10 per cent over the coming year as part of its planned transition to smaller process sizes. [ source

 

[FoxEye]

You have to be super rich or a lunatic. 'Investing' this sort of money in to a GPU only for a newer faster card to appear in less than 12 months must be gutting

I always compare the cost of PC components to the cost of a console. Thus I can't justify spending more than £100-£150 on a gfx card.

That puts me in the minority here, because a lot of the talk is about £300-400 graphics cards at the best of times.

I do often wonder if people see much return on their investment when spending that kind of money, compared to the experience the rest of us have with our mid-range cards and 1080p res gaming

 

[dave_beast]

I prefer Elric's unboxing video, lol when his eyes explode!

 

[Kelt]

A thousand bucks and no backplate?

Meh, I'm cancelling my order!

 

[andybird123]

I always compare the cost of PC components to the cost of a console. Thus I can't justify spending more than £100-£150 on a gfx card.

you are comparing the brand new cutting edge PC graphics card with a 7 year old games console that looks like it's running the Lego version of whatever game it is?

why bother with a PC at all and just play games on your mobile phone?

I do often wonder if people see much return on their investment when spending that kind of money, compared to the experience the rest of us have with our mid-range cards and 1080p res gaming

in no way is a GTX680/690 an investment, it is a toy, pure and simple
some people can justify spending more money on toys than others, those are the people this card is aimed at

 

[area512003]

in no way is a GTX680/690 an investment, it is a toy, pure and simple
some people can justify spending more money on toys than others, those are the people this card is aimed at

+1 to that! (or two in my case!)

 

[Gregster]

you are comparing the brand new cutting edge PC graphics card with a 7 year old games console that looks like it's running the Lego version of whatever game it is?

why bother with a PC at all and just play games on your mobile phone?



in no way is a GTX680/690 an investment, it is a toy, pure and simple
some people can justify spending more money on toys than others, those are the people this card is aimed at

Agreed. If you can't justify the price then you will not be buying it. I didn't buy a 680 as an investment, I bought it as a GPU to play games with.

 

[arc@css]

I've never seen him blink so much!

 

[rolypolyman]

'It is merely your perception of the perceived benefits of the goods, someone on the other hand might think the £800 graphics card is fantastic value for brand new tech rather than £499 for a TV that was probably made 2 years, sold in bulk from a Chinese factory and labelled under a random brand and bundled with a warranty.'

Actually the TV was made 12/11, by Sharp in Japan, I researched this before buying the TV. Sharp are huge in Japan and USA and most of their quality stuff goes to those markets, they have cheap Polish made tv's for the EU or maybe Slovakia, however not that TV, solely Japanese made. Take my word for it, this is a really nice looking TV. I do get what you guys are saying about the graphics card at £800 and it being cutting edge and all that but no need to try and rubbish the telly to make your point. I also know Oled tv will be the next great thing but they will not be affordable to the masses for years.