Parents irresponsible behaviour, I can't believe it.

I think the issue here is not that she's having sex young, most people are ok with that. It's the fact she's having it with 2 guys, while wasted.
When you introduce alcohol its a completely different story.
I can see no way she would consent to 2 guys when not wasted, (unless she is already on the path to this, then she probably deserves her rep)
Seems a bit forced onto her to me, but we will never know the whole story.
 
krooton said:
I'm going to guess that those guys on here that lost it at 13 probably did so with a somewhat older ****ty girl.
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Nope! Well actually im telling a lie, I was 14 she was 13 at the time...

Although i did go out with her for 2 years in the end
 
RDM said:
Which is also part of the problem, we treat a girl having sex as being worse than a boy having sex.
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Society in general yes, but I hold the same view of a guy that has banged 50 randoms as I do a women who has done the same.
 
Ahleckz said:
Why does having sex at that age mean that they had a poor upbringing, are stupid and low class? I had sex at 13, my parents weren't irresponsible in the slightest, I come from a middle class family, went to one of the best schools in Scotland, yadda yadda. It's your outdated, ignorant views which result in so many teenage pregnancies and the like. If people stopped treating sex as some sort of massive taboo never to be spoken about, then people would make sensible, informed choices and not shy away from speaking to their parents about it. Combine this with the easy access to condoms in the home, from responsible parents, and you will lower the teenage pregnancy rate/rising STI rates.
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Telescopi said:
There's a difference between having a girlfriend and getting lucky while your parents are out and going round someone's house for a gang bang.

2up at 13 years old? Christ on a bike that's a bit racy for university life never mind as a child.

You can think that's normal healthy behavior if you like but I'll have to disagree.
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+1 to Telescopi. I presume when you did it at 13 (Ahleckz) that you weren't stupidly drunk? If I read Telescopi's first post correctly, he was saying they were all in the wrong because they didn't talk about it, they weren't responsible and no precautions were taken. What you, Ahkeckz have been talking about was something completely different. You had a better upbringing and much more responsible parents than in this instance, i'm presuming you didn't have a drunken, unprotected orgy whilst your parents turned a blind eye?

P.S. Don't take it the wrong way Ahleckz, i'm mostly agreeing with you.... somehow
 
Yeggstry said:
Would it be classed as rape if she claimed it wasn't consensual, since she was drunk?
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if she decided to go down that route then there is a possability, but it would be hard to prove. so it would be case specific. although i would not recommend going down the rape route unless she is 100% sure that she was forced. rape cases can get very messy and very invasive from what i have heard.
 
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How naive of the mother if she thought that they would watch cartoons all day :p
Also, a six pack each!? that gets me reasonably merry, I'd hate to see a 13 year old drink that much!

Suing the mother is a bit harsh, however she does need punishing for leaving 3 13 year olds alone unsupervised, on top of giving them all alcohol.
 
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Now I wouldn't say that the mother should be winning any Parent of the Year awards, but I doubt any of the girls I knew while growing up would've been up for getting double teamed... She's hardly a victim.
 
rG-tom said:
I'm generally not a hypocrite, so as long as the girl was being responsible unlike in this case, then yea....
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So you have no preference of her starting to have sex at 13 or 16, as long as she has safe sex?

I'd like to think I could raise my child to feel that 13 is too young, that they are not emotionally mature enough for all the things that sex brings to the table, and not have to worry about her being around other 13 years olds that will try it on.
 
I guess I'm the only one who doesn't understand what the fuss is all about.

So three 13 year olds had sex. Granted, the supply of alcohol was dumb and irresponsible by one of the parents but I am inclined to think that even if alcohol was not supplied the result would not have been much different.

Frankly, they had sex, they didn't kill anyone. no one was hurt by what took place in that house. The fact that the girl now is branded in one way and the boys in another, well that's a repercussion of their actions so they only got themselves to blame really.

Again, it was sex, not murder or anything hurtfull. I would presume they enjoyed it anyway (unless they raped her?) so no harm done there - as alcohol was not the enabler in my view.

The parent was irresponsible first to leave the children unsupervised and then to supply alcohol. Also the other parent was irresponsible to leave her daughter with 2 males in a house where there was risk of being unsupervised. All things considered, they were just that, irresponsible, not criminals.
 
krooton said:
So you have no preference of her starting to have sex at 13 or 16, as long as she has safe sex?

I'd like to think I could raise my child to feel that 13 is too young, that they are not emotionally mature enough for all the things that sex brings to the table, and not have to worry about her being around other 13 years olds that will try it on.
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Some people are mature at 13, others not so. Girls in general are more mature than boys so i'd say it was acceptable to have sex at 13 if they were both doing it safely and willingly (and sober)
 
Cleeecooo said:
If I read Telescopi's first post correctly, he was saying they were all in the wrong because they didn't talk about it, they weren't responsible and no precautions were taken.
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I mostly disagree that the order of responsibility goes mother>boys>girl.

The 'poor innocent girl' thing doesn't really wash with me, nor that the boys were only doing what comes naturally. They are people, not animals.

I don't like the excuse of alcohol either, it reduces inhibitions and trashes memory but it doesn't change your values. It's the excuse people give for fighting or sleeping around but studies have shown that people do the same things if they are told they are drinking alcohol but are in fact sober.

So while the mother is completely and utterly out of order I can't say the children involved are blameless either.
 
I'm surprised as to how many people think she would have a gang bang while sober, I think I would be pretty shocked to be in that situation now, and i'm in uni.
 
Cleeecooo said:
Some people are mature at 13, others not so. Girls in general are more mature than boys so i'd say it was acceptable to have sex at 13 if they were both doing it safely and willingly (and sober)
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Guess that's were all the view differ, I don't believe any child has the emotional maturity to deal with sex in the first 'official' year of their teens. Hell, they are only just starting puberty and will be having hormonal changes running rampant for a good few more years to come.

And I'm not some old fuddy-duddy, I was 13 in 1995, and I just cannot even imagine anyone in my class having sex back then, we hadn't even started high school yet. Have a bf/gf and a snog and a grope, a few years later move on to fingerbanging and handjobs, then sex later still.
 
paradisiac said:
she chose to drink all 6 though, if she felt in some way she was loosing control, she could have stopped at 2 or 3 beers?
there is such a thing as self control.
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If they had that level of control, they wouldn't have been drinking in the first place :p

If a kid is drinking, they are drinking to get drunk, not unwind or get a bit tipsy, they are aiming to get ****faced. Hence their predisposition for drinking the cheapest, nastiest stuff as long as they can get it.
 
shadesofgrey said:
Yeah, because. in general, children really do know when to stop right?
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so you are saying if the mum had gone out and bought 18 2l bottles of say coke, they would have downed 6 bottles each? i doubt that very much. if she is 'not stupid' like you said, then she would know that 6 bottles is a lot for someone legally allowed to drink.

krooton said:
If they had that level of control, they wouldn't have been drinking in the first place :p

If a kid is drinking, they are drinking to get drunk, not unwind or get a bit tipsy, they are aiming to get ****faced. Hence their predisposition for drinking the cheapest, nastiest stuff as long as they can get it.
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which means agreement she was drinking to get drunk. so responsibilty has to lie with her, as she chose to carry out the drinking. it was not forced upon her.
 
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